Laika Community Moderator Posted April 8, 2016 Author Posted April 8, 2016 I've never seen a single list from him that didn't raise my eyebrows. A future 70+ power grade on Brinson... ok. It's not future. The three numbers he lists are: present grade / likely future grade (50th percentile) / ceiling future grade (95th percentile) The concept is decent for SOME tools. I actually like the incorporation of a percentile way of thinking about tool progression. I mean we see MLB players all the time that outperform or underperform what scouts tabbed their future tools as --> ex., guys who were called future 50 hitters reaching their 90th percentile outlook and hitting .300 consistently. It's clear that there is variance on future physical tools or game tools that needs to be appreciated. But Joey Gallo has 80 power, objectively, right now.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I had an open mind with Farnsworth at first but it's clear at this point that he is simply out of his league / depth. Kind of over it. Why? Because he doesn't rank guys the way you'd like him to/the same way everyone else does?
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 DeGrom hasn't hit higher than 92 MPH today so far. Yikes.
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 8, 2016 Author Posted April 8, 2016 Why? Because he doesn't rank guys the way you'd like him to/the same way everyone else does? No, because I don't think he is even really scouting most of these guys. I think he's reading other material + talking to people + looking at stats + watching youtube videos and s*** and then throwing wildly disparate present - future grades on the players and their tools as a method of hedging his bets. I think Dan Farnsworth has some merit, skill, and ability and I think he could be a good part of a team that does this sort of thing. But as the sole source of 30 team rankings that go as deep as these do, he is simply out of his depth and over his head and it shows. I think he needs help.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 It's not future. The three numbers he lists are: present grade / likely future grade (50th percentile) / ceiling future grade (95th percentile) The concept is decent for SOME tools. I actually like the incorporation of a percentile way of thinking about tool progression. I mean we see MLB players all the time that outperform or underperform what scouts tabbed their future tools as --> ex., guys who were called future 50 hitters reaching their 90th percentile outlook and hitting .300 consistently. It's clear that there is variance on future physical tools or game tools that needs to be appreciated. But Joey Gallo has 80 power, objectively, right now. I understand exactly how he breaks down the percentiles, I just don't see a world where Brinson becomes a 40 HR hitter. I probably would have said the same about Granderson though. Also I'm just butthurt cause he doesn't love Mazara as much as I do.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I understand exactly how he breaks down the percentiles, I just don't see a world where Brinson becomes a 40 HR hitter. I probably would have said the same about Granderson though. Also I'm just butthurt cause he doesn't love Mazara as much as I do. It's time to jump off the Mazara bandwagon while there's still a chance, before it runs off the cliff..
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 No, because I don't think he is even really scouting most of these guys. I think he's reading other material + talking to people + looking at stats + watching youtube videos and s*** and then throwing wildly disparate present - future grades on the players and their tools as a method of hedging his bets. I think Dan Farnsworth has some merit, skill, and ability and I think he could be a good part of a team that does this sort of thing. But as the sole source of 30 team rankings that go as deep as these do, he is simply out of his depth and over his head and it shows. I think he needs help. This is a good post. Fangraphs bit off more than they could chew by handing the reins entirely to him. I wonder how much notice they had when Kiley left?
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 8, 2016 Author Posted April 8, 2016 It's time to jump off the Mazara bandwagon while there's still a chance, before it runs off the cliff.. I've been desperately trying to in the LoD but you won't let me
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 8, 2016 Author Posted April 8, 2016 This is a good post. Fangraphs bit off more than they could chew by handing the reins entirely to him. I wonder how much notice they had when Kiley left? I don't think it was an issue of notice. There are several notable scouting types on the twitter that are very bitter Fangraphs didn't go without someone from in the old boys club. It was a purposeful choice by Fangraphs to pick someone who was completely different.
Cyborg Verified Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 DeGrom hasn't hit higher than 92 MPH today so far. Yikes. He had a 93 when he reached back. Pretty concerning.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I've been desperately trying to in the LoD but you won't let me I sent you an offer the other weekend when I was a little tipsy. But you didn't want to take advantage of me.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 LOL are you f***ing for real, that's (somehow) more egregious than BA dropping a 60 on Gleyber's power. Both seem very optimistic to me.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 Let me know next time you're experiencing periodic mental incapacity and we can talk trade. You have 3-5 players that I wouldn't mind owning. Maybe I can draw up a quick will giving George Springer to me when you die? I wonder if anyone's ever done that. Personal Property - To my children in equal shares Real Estate - To my beloved son absolutely Fantasy Assets - To NJH, who may take at his discretion. You should know that my Fantasy assets are the extent of my assets...and you are all in my will already. PS. I'm outliving you all, except for Spanky!
TheHurl Site Manager Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 Most fun prospect laden teams in the minors. Going to try and see if there will be a Berrios start in Buffalo, will post if that happens and see if anyone is interested. 1. Salem Red Sox (Red Sox) Top 100 Prospects: 2B Yoan Moncada (3), OF Andrew Benintendi (15), 3B Rafael Devers (18). Top 30 Prospects: Moncada (1), Devers (2), Benintendi (3), SS/2B Mauricio Dubon (13), 1B/OF Nick Longhi (14), RHP Travis Lakins (16). Yes, Corpus Christi has more Top 100 Prospects, but no team can match the star power of Salem with three Top 20 Prospects. Amazingly this group was even better at the end of last year in Greenville (when we called them the best prospect group in the minors) as those three were joined by shortstop Javier Guerra before he was traded to the Padres. 2. Corpus Christi Hooks (Astros) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Francis Martes (20), SS Alex Bregman (42), RHP Joe Musgrove (83), RHP David Paulino (91). Top 30 Prospects: Martes (2), Bregman (3), Musgrove (6), Paulino (7), OF Derek Fisher (10), 3B J.D. Davis (14), C Alfredo Gonzalez (26), LHP Michael Freeman (30). Whatever day you catch the Hooks, you have a very good chance of seeing an excellent starting pitcher as the Hooks have the best trio of starters in the minors. Adding in Bregman, the club’s first 2015 first-round pick, Fisher, Davis and Gonzalez makes this the must-see team of the Texas League. 3. Rochester Red Wings (Twins) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Jose Berrios (28), OF Max Kepler (30), SS/2B Jorge Polanco (99). Top 30 Prospects: Berrios (2), Kepler (3), Polanco (6), RHP Alex Meyer (12), LHP Taylor Rogers (14), OF/1B Adam Brett Walker (17). The Red Wings’ roster is even better when you consider that Tyler Duffey and J.R. Graham are no longer prospect-eligible. Berrios gives the team a true ace while Kepler-Polanco-Walker makes this one of the most interesting lineups to watch in the International League. 4. Lehigh Valley IronPigs (Phillies) Top 100 Prospects: OF Nick Williams (27), RHP Jake Thompson (75), C Andrew Knapp (96). Top 30 Prospects: Williams (2), Thompson (3), Knapp (4), RHP Mark Appel (8 on Astros list pre-trade), Zach Eflin (13), OF/2B Darnell Sweeney (26). The Phillies have a pair of loaded upper-level minor league clubs, but the depth of prospects of the IronPigs tops the top-end talent of the J.P. Crawford-led Reading club. When Crawford gets promoted to Triple-A, this club will get even better. 5. Hartford Yard Goats (Rockies) Top 100 Prospects: OF David Dahl (2), 3B Ryan McMahon (5). Top 30 Prospects: Dahl (2), McMahon (5), LHP Kyle Freeland (6), RHP Antonio Senzatela (9), OF Raimel Tapia (10), RHP German Marquez (14 on Rays list before trade). The Rockies have a system loaded with upper-level prospect talent and most of it will be playing for the new Yard Goats affiliate. Freeland gets an aggressive promotion to Double-A while the Eastern League’s best lineup (Dahl, McMahon, Tapia) will make pitchers’ lives very difficult. 6. Indianapolis Indians (Pirates) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Tyler Glasnow (14), 1B Josh Bell (38). Top 30 Prospects: Glasnow (1), Bell (3), RHP Jameson Taillon (4), 2B Alen Hanson (11), OF Willy Garcia (12), RHP Steven Brault (15), 2B Max Moroff (25), SS/OF Adam Frazier (27). Even though he’s two years removed from his last official game, Taillon has shown no rust in spring training and should pair with Glasnow and Brault to give the Indians a fascinating group of power arms. The position players aren’t as interesting, but it should be fun to watch Bell ready to tackle the first base job in Pittsburgh at some point this season. 7. Rome Braves (Braves) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Touki Toussaint (90). Top 30 Prospects: Toussaint (5), 3B Austin Riley (6), LHP Max Fried (7), RHP Mike Soroka (9), LHP Ricardo Sanchez (15), C Lucas Herbert (18), OF Ronald Acuna (26). Yes, the Rome club has just one Top 100 Prospect, but this club has a rotation of fascinating prospects and it will only get better when lefthander Kolby Allard joins in the not-to-distant future. While Riley is the biggest name among the hitters, keep an eye on Acuna, a toolsy, talented outfielder who could break out in 2016. 8. Louisville Bats (Reds) Top 100 Prospects: LHP Cody Reed (34), OF Jesse Winker (51), SS/2B/OF Jose Peraza (66). Top 30 Prospects: Reed (2), Peraza (4), Winker (5), OF Kyle Waldrop (21). Even with the promotion of RHP Robert Stephenson to the big leagues, Louisville still has a trio of Top 100 Prospects led by the hard-throwing Reed. Peraza should bounce around to a number of positions, but fans should pay special attention to how he looks at shortstop as he reacclimates to the position after sliding to second base for much of the past two years. 9. Colorado Springs (Brewers) Top 100 Prospects: SS Orlando Arcia (8), RHP Jorge Lopez (59) Top 30 Prospects: Arcia (1), Lopez (2), RHP Zach Davies (12), OF Michael Reed (17), 3B/OF Garin Cecchini (30). It’s all about star power in Colorado Springs as the Sky Sox have both one of the best shortstop prospects in the game in Arcia and a dependable righthander in Lopez. 10. Mississippi Braves (Braves) Top 100 Prospects: LHP Sean Newcomb (24), SS Ozzie Albies (63). Top 30 Prospects: Newcomb (1), Albies (4), RHP Lucas Sims (11), RHP Chris Ellis (13), OF Dustin Peterson (20), RHP Jason Hursh (21), LHP Brady Feigl (23), SS/2B Johan Camargo (25), RHP Mauricio Cabrera (27), RHP Andrew Thurman (28), RHP Steve Janas (30). The M-Braves will stand out for volume. Eight pitchers from the Top 30 Prospects list plus three position players make this one of the deeper prospect groupings in all of baseball. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/166778/#8Gljvz472JmeOJkD.99
TRM Verified Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 My (late) 2016 preview dropping later on. Unapologetically excited for this.
TRM Verified Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 We should have more beers together Hurl ol pal. Every man needs to experience drinking with Hurl at least once. Watching him peruse the eligible ladies on the dance floor of Bier Markt while trying to finish his stein and bust a move simultaneously was a highlight of 2015 for me.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I don't think it was an issue of notice. There are several notable scouting types on the twitter that are very bitter Fangraphs didn't go without someone from in the old boys club. It was a purposeful choice by Fangraphs to pick someone who was completely different. I actually like Farnsworth quite a bit. It's a bit early to say he's wrong just because the prospects are different.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 only one assignment left for me. Might have some time to deal an OF. Ozuna or Saunders available.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Oh spanky. You're so young and innocent.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Tyler White: .829 wOBA Trevor Story: .680 wOBA just saying
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Tyler White: .829 wOBA Trevor Story: .680 wOBA just saying I wish I had some White shares. Went really early in my last redraft.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Every man needs to experience drinking with Hurl at least once. Watching him peruse the eligible ladies on the dance floor of Bier Markt while trying to finish his stein and bust a move simultaneously was a highlight of 2015 for me. Hiw can i apply for this experience
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Most fun prospect laden teams in the minors. Going to try and see if there will be a Berrios start in Buffalo, will post if that happens and see if anyone is interested. 1. Salem Red Sox (Red Sox) Top 100 Prospects: 2B Yoan Moncada (3), OF Andrew Benintendi (15), 3B Rafael Devers (18). Top 30 Prospects: Moncada (1), Devers (2), Benintendi (3), SS/2B Mauricio Dubon (13), 1B/OF Nick Longhi (14), RHP Travis Lakins (16). Yes, Corpus Christi has more Top 100 Prospects, but no team can match the star power of Salem with three Top 20 Prospects. Amazingly this group was even better at the end of last year in Greenville (when we called them the best prospect group in the minors) as those three were joined by shortstop Javier Guerra before he was traded to the Padres. 2. Corpus Christi Hooks (Astros) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Francis Martes (20), SS Alex Bregman (42), RHP Joe Musgrove (83), RHP David Paulino (91). Top 30 Prospects: Martes (2), Bregman (3), Musgrove (6), Paulino (7), OF Derek Fisher (10), 3B J.D. Davis (14), C Alfredo Gonzalez (26), LHP Michael Freeman (30). Whatever day you catch the Hooks, you have a very good chance of seeing an excellent starting pitcher as the Hooks have the best trio of starters in the minors. Adding in Bregman, the club’s first 2015 first-round pick, Fisher, Davis and Gonzalez makes this the must-see team of the Texas League. 3. Rochester Red Wings (Twins) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Jose Berrios (28), OF Max Kepler (30), SS/2B Jorge Polanco (99). Top 30 Prospects: Berrios (2), Kepler (3), Polanco (6), RHP Alex Meyer (12), LHP Taylor Rogers (14), OF/1B Adam Brett Walker (17). The Red Wings’ roster is even better when you consider that Tyler Duffey and J.R. Graham are no longer prospect-eligible. Berrios gives the team a true ace while Kepler-Polanco-Walker makes this one of the most interesting lineups to watch in the International League. 4. Lehigh Valley IronPigs (Phillies) Top 100 Prospects: OF Nick Williams (27), RHP Jake Thompson (75), C Andrew Knapp (96). Top 30 Prospects: Williams (2), Thompson (3), Knapp (4), RHP Mark Appel (8 on Astros list pre-trade), Zach Eflin (13), OF/2B Darnell Sweeney (26). The Phillies have a pair of loaded upper-level minor league clubs, but the depth of prospects of the IronPigs tops the top-end talent of the J.P. Crawford-led Reading club. When Crawford gets promoted to Triple-A, this club will get even better. 5. Hartford Yard Goats (Rockies) Top 100 Prospects: OF David Dahl (2), 3B Ryan McMahon (5). Top 30 Prospects: Dahl (2), McMahon (5), LHP Kyle Freeland (6), RHP Antonio Senzatela (9), OF Raimel Tapia (10), RHP German Marquez (14 on Rays list before trade). The Rockies have a system loaded with upper-level prospect talent and most of it will be playing for the new Yard Goats affiliate. Freeland gets an aggressive promotion to Double-A while the Eastern League’s best lineup (Dahl, McMahon, Tapia) will make pitchers’ lives very difficult. 6. Indianapolis Indians (Pirates) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Tyler Glasnow (14), 1B Josh Bell (38). Top 30 Prospects: Glasnow (1), Bell (3), RHP Jameson Taillon (4), 2B Alen Hanson (11), OF Willy Garcia (12), RHP Steven Brault (15), 2B Max Moroff (25), SS/OF Adam Frazier (27). Even though he’s two years removed from his last official game, Taillon has shown no rust in spring training and should pair with Glasnow and Brault to give the Indians a fascinating group of power arms. The position players aren’t as interesting, but it should be fun to watch Bell ready to tackle the first base job in Pittsburgh at some point this season. 7. Rome Braves (Braves) Top 100 Prospects: RHP Touki Toussaint (90). Top 30 Prospects: Toussaint (5), 3B Austin Riley (6), LHP Max Fried (7), RHP Mike Soroka (9), LHP Ricardo Sanchez (15), C Lucas Herbert (18), OF Ronald Acuna (26). Yes, the Rome club has just one Top 100 Prospect, but this club has a rotation of fascinating prospects and it will only get better when lefthander Kolby Allard joins in the not-to-distant future. While Riley is the biggest name among the hitters, keep an eye on Acuna, a toolsy, talented outfielder who could break out in 2016. 8. Louisville Bats (Reds) Top 100 Prospects: LHP Cody Reed (34), OF Jesse Winker (51), SS/2B/OF Jose Peraza (66). Top 30 Prospects: Reed (2), Peraza (4), Winker (5), OF Kyle Waldrop (21). Even with the promotion of RHP Robert Stephenson to the big leagues, Louisville still has a trio of Top 100 Prospects led by the hard-throwing Reed. Peraza should bounce around to a number of positions, but fans should pay special attention to how he looks at shortstop as he reacclimates to the position after sliding to second base for much of the past two years. 9. Colorado Springs (Brewers) Top 100 Prospects: SS Orlando Arcia (8), RHP Jorge Lopez (59) Top 30 Prospects: Arcia (1), Lopez (2), RHP Zach Davies (12), OF Michael Reed (17), 3B/OF Garin Cecchini (30). It’s all about star power in Colorado Springs as the Sky Sox have both one of the best shortstop prospects in the game in Arcia and a dependable righthander in Lopez. 10. Mississippi Braves (Braves) Top 100 Prospects: LHP Sean Newcomb (24), SS Ozzie Albies (63). Top 30 Prospects: Newcomb (1), Albies (4), RHP Lucas Sims (11), RHP Chris Ellis (13), OF Dustin Peterson (20), RHP Jason Hursh (21), LHP Brady Feigl (23), SS/2B Johan Camargo (25), RHP Mauricio Cabrera (27), RHP Andrew Thurman (28), RHP Steve Janas (30). The M-Braves will stand out for volume. Eight pitchers from the Top 30 Prospects list plus three position players make this one of the deeper prospect groupings in all of baseball. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/166778/#8Gljvz472JmeOJkD.99 Let's peruse some ladies. Will you be my wingman?
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Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 2016 preview, real 90s gangsta style. Viewer discretion is advised! https://sendvid.com/yhijm5o5 lol bts
BTS Community Moderator Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 lol bts I was accurately represented in this video and have no complaints.
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 9, 2016 Author Posted April 9, 2016 I was accurately represented in this video and have no complaints. you're probably just happy to be in it right
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 I officially petition for a B-class vid. All of those in the perpetual rebuild need to be mocked (more viciously of course)
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