Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 160, maybe? Nobody in the scouting or statistical community believes that Greg Bird is going to be a really good major leaguer. He doesn't have enough of a hit tool to get to his power, he might not hit left-handed pitching, his stats don't fly off the page like other scout-beating first basemen have recently. I don't really get why you find him so compelling. Reynaldo's stats are actually pretty good now and he was just named Carolina League Pitcher of the Week after a truly electrifying performance. He surely shows up near the top of your stat-scout filters. A star in the making. Obviously as a first baseman your value potential is limited. Also by the fact that he doesn't look like a great defender. His K-rate in the minors this year dipped to around 15% from 20-ish prior, which is average. All I care about is that he's a good hitter, which he is. Comparables include Chase Utley, Troy Tulowitzki, Edwin Encarnacion and Moises Sierra. Weird that a Rizzbro such as yourself is so down on Bird when he's a better prospect that Anthony was at this point and has the same question marks.
Laika Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 The idea that Reynaldo is some Aaron Sanchez-like pitcher who throws 100 but is wild and doesn't get any strikeouts is very amusing. He's the next Gerrit Cole. Doubt him at your peril. More like Martin Perez. The ingredients seem fresh but where's the beef
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 "Truly electrifying performance" vs. "Ringing Double" Two enter the cage, only one leaves? Which is better? Find out tonight. Are you referring to Bird's CLUTCH pinch hit ringing double? It was very ringing.
Laika Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 Votto MiLB .289/.385/.476 718 games 3037 plate appearances 407 walks 672 strikeouts Bird .282/.395/.483 347 games 1498 plate appearances 223 walks 313 strikeouts They are SO similar, but Votto was like a 99th percentile outcome for someone with his profile and I wonder if the added developmental time helped him out significantly in the long run. Votto had full seasons at Rk, A, A+, AA, and AAA. That's a very long, and seemingly old school, developmental path. Today in most orgs someone with Votto's 2006 numbers in AA will probably see MLB time.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 So does Joey Gallo officially suck now, or are we still pretending his whiff rates will somehow become tenable?
Laika Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 So does Joey Gallo officially suck now, or are we still pretending his whiff rates will somehow become tenable? Why would 40 games in AAA sewer his prospect status? He still has a ~.800 OPS in that span and a .910 on the season. It's probably just BABIP luck because with a .300 ISO he's obviously smashing the ball.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Why would 40 games in AAA sewer his prospect status? He still has a ~.800 OPS in that span and a .910 on the season. It's probably just BABIP luck because with a .300 ISO he's obviously smashing the ball. OPS? Surely you understand OPS favours high slugging hackers like Gallo and Arencibia, I can't imagine any other reason you would use such a verboten metric in this thread. What's actually remarkable is that Gallo can ISO around .300 and still only be a league average bat. No baseball team will keep trotting him out there if he's hitting .190 and K'ing 40% of the time, even if he's mashing at a 40 HR pace.
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 So does Joey Gallo officially suck now, or are we still pretending his whiff rates will somehow become tenable? Didn't Sano have pretty similar K rates? He seems to have turned things around. Baseball seems to have accepted high K guys, as long as they get walks and home runs.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 OPS? Surely you understand OPS favours high slugging hackers like Gallo and Arencibia, I can't imagine any other reason you would use such a verboten metric in this thread. What's actually remarkable is that Gallo can ISO around .300 and still only be a league average bat. No baseball team will keep trotting him out there if he's hitting .190 and K'ing 40% of the time, even if he's mashing at a 40 HR pace. Adam Dunn?
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Joey Gallo is special - Northof49
Laika Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 OPS? Surely you understand OPS favours high slugging hackers like Gallo and Arencibia, I can't imagine any other reason you would use such a verboten metric in this thread. What's actually remarkable is that Gallo can ISO around .300 and still only be a league average bat. No baseball team will keep trotting him out there if he's hitting .190 and K'ing 40% of the time, even if he's mashing at a 40 HR pace. Substitute in his wOBA or wRC+ and the reasoning doesn't change. He projects to be essentially a league average bat that can play third base RIGHT NOW, with all of his warts, and he has an extremistran profile that obviously has massive appreciable upside (and downside, obviously).
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Didn't Sano have pretty similar K rates? Not really, Sano has been somewhere between 23-29%, while Gallo has consistently been at 33-40%, even in the low minors.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Adam Dunn? Adam Dunn maintained a K rate around 25-26% until he was like 30. That's much, much better than Gallo.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Joey Gallo is to home runs what Billy Hamilton is to stolen bases.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I actually don't understand how a person can be so good at hitting a baseball so far, and yet fail to make contact so often. Does he have no two-strike approach, or what?
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I actually don't understand how a person can be so good at hitting a baseball so far, and yet fail to make contact so often. Does he have no two-strike approach, or what? You would think that i guy that can barrel a ball up so often can have a better eye/make weaker contact often was well. Has to be a 2 strike approach issue but you would think that could be easily taught
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 verboten Annoying you with my vernacular is my life's work.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Annoying you with my vernacular is my life's work. That's pretty uncouth.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 That's pretty uncouth. Not to mention gauche.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Not to mention gauche. The gauche era was the nadir of your posting career.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Lol that one bothered NJH soooooo much. Amazing.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Who makes it to 20/20 first this year: Goldy, Braun, or Upton? Goldy is just one steal away, while Braun and Upton are each 2 SB away.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Trading Braun for Waino and then having Waino die has probably ruined my season. DH in the NL plz.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Trading Braun for Waino and then having Waino die has probably ruined my season. DH in the NL plz. The SBs have been a very pleasant surprise, he's got a shot at 30/30 this year.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Who makes it to 20/20 first this year: Goldy, Braun, or Upton? Goldy is just one steal away, while Braun and Upton are each 2 SB away. I'll take this opportunity to let everyone know Upton is on the block in exchange for a SS or a 1B. Still only 27 years old, same age as Paul Goldschmidt. You could also get Gomez who went 20/30 in back to back years. Or CFer Adam Jones is also on the block.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I'll take this opportunity to let everyone know Upton is on the block in exchange for a SS or a 1B. Still only 27 years old, same age as Paul Goldschmidt. You could also get Gomez who went 20/30 in back to back years. Or CFer Adam Jones is also on the block. Maybe try offering Adam Jones for Eric Hosmer?
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Maybe try offering Adam Jones for Eric Hosmer? Not sure if that's a jab at me or Min.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Not sure if that's a jab at me or Min. You.
Laika Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2015 Author Posted August 18, 2015 FYI PSA IMO The trade deadline is in 12 days. Someone trade me some more playoff ammo, plz. I would be inclined to move my DL guys Gordon, Souza, and Wright for healthy help.
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