NHL Thread

[Zaun of the Dead]

I would rather see McDavid in edmonton because buffalo has a decent farm without him and it would be nice to see a canadian superstar play for a canadian team for once.

[Dylan]

I would rather see McDavid in edmonton because buffalo has a decent farm without him and it would be nice to see a canadian superstar play for a canadian team for once.

Would be interesting to see what the oilers would do. Would have to assume they'd sell one of their bigger names for some D/goalies

[Zaun of the Dead]

oh most certainly.

[burlingtonbandit]

Would be interesting to see what the oilers would do. Would have to assume they'd sell one of their bigger names for some D/goalies

 

Build around McDavid, Nugent Hopkins and Hall. Thats one of the best collections of young forwards on any team. Edmonton's problem is there defense and bottom 6 is just garbage. Goaltending as well but that should be easy to fix.

[Dylan]

One good thing about coyotes winning lottery is that it would allow oilers to take Hanifin and ensuring marner/strome for leafs

[Nox]

Hypothetical and obviously just fireballing,

 

EDM gets #1 overall.

 

Boston offers Bergeron + Pasternak + their #1 for McDavid. Who says no?

[GD]

How good is Pastrnak?

[Nox]

How good is Pastrnak?

 

You'd probably project him to be a top 6 fwd in his prime at this point. Maybe that's a shade optimistic. I think he's pretty good though.

[Zaun of the Dead]

I don't think there's a chance that Edmonton takes that deal.

[JaysAllMighty]

Well since my Habs don't have a chance at those 2 superstars I just hope that 2 Canadian teams gets them.

 

When is the lottery draw taking place?

[Nox]

I don't think there's a chance that Edmonton takes that deal.

 

Maybe not but Bergeron might be a top 5 player in the whole league. Their top 6 would be pretty legit and you would have to wonder when they're going to tire completely of the perpetual rebuild.

 

Bergeron would probably have to be 27 instead of 30 for them to really be tempted.

[Zaun of the Dead]

Well since my Habs don't have a chance at those 2 superstars I just hope that 2 Canadian teams gets them.

 

When is the lottery draw taking place?

 

The date is not set yet but I think it takes place between the end of the regular season and the beginning of the playoffs.

[Zaun of the Dead]

Maybe not but Bergeron might be a top 5 player in the whole league. Their top 6 would be pretty legit and you would have to wonder when they're going to tire completely of the perpetual rebuild.

 

Bergeron would probably have to be 27 instead of 30 for them to really be tempted.

 

McDavid might be a top 1 player in the league. Bergeron, a mid 1st rounder and a guy who MIGHT be a top 6 forward is not going to cut it at all.

[Nox]

McDavid might be a top 1 player in the league. Bergeron, a mid 1st rounder and a guy who MIGHT be a top 6 forward is not going to cut it at all.

 

I'm about the biggest McDavid fanboy around but I don't think you realize how good Bergeron is. Any rational mean projection for McDavid would have him have him being less valuable than Bergeron has been throughout his career.

[JaysAllMighty]

Zaun of the Dead, can I ask you the meaning of your signature "hello, real cops?". Just curious.

[Zaun of the Dead]

Potentially the best hockey talent we've seen since Wayne Gretzky, and LESS valuable than Patrice Bergeron?? What??

[Zaun of the Dead]

Zaun of the Dead, can I ask you the meaning of your signature "hello, real cops?". Just curious.

 

It's from a movie, Dirty Work with Norm MacDonald and Artie Lange.

[Nox]

Potentially the best hockey talent we've seen since Wayne Gretzky, and LESS valuable than Patrice Bergeron?? What??

 

Brgerun needz moar pointz amirite?

[Frag]

Potentially the best hockey talent we've seen since Wayne Gretzky, and LESS valuable than Patrice Bergeron?? What??

 

Woah there! I'd say Sidney Crosby for now.

[JaysAllMighty]

It's from a movie, Dirty Work with Norm MacDonald and Artie Lange.

 

Got it, funny s***! I'm happy no one played that trick when I was a cop.... LOL

 

[Zaun of the Dead]

Woah there! I'd say Sidney Crosby for now.

 

Yeah that's why I said potentially, as he could potentially be even better than Sid.

[Laika]

Potentially the best hockey talent we've seen since Wayne Gretzky, and LESS valuable than Patrice Bergeron?? What??

 

His ceiling is basically another Crosby, but you couldn't reasonably expect him to be that.

 

If Mike Trout is the ceiling of a hypothetical #1 super prospect in baseball, then Bryce Harper to date might be the reasonable projection.

Ben Zobrist is Bergeron. Check the WARz over the last 3 years for that analogy.

 

But, I can't see EDM trading a guy who has a Crosby/Trout ceiling, even if the trade makes sense in the world of likely outcomes and projections and spreadsheets.

[Laika]

Brgerun needz moar pointz amirite?

 

He's just not a run producer

[Orgfiller]

His ceiling is basically another Crosby, but you couldn't reasonably expect him to be that.

 

If Mike Trout is the ceiling of a hypothetical #1 super prospect in baseball, then Bryce Harper to date might be the reasonable projection.

Ben Zobrist is Bergeron. Check the WARz over the last 3 years for that analogy.

 

But, I can't see EDM trading a guy who has a Crosby/Trout ceiling, even if the trade makes sense in the world of likely outcomes and projections and spreadsheets.

 

Thank you for explaining hockey to me. Much clearer now.

[burlingtonbandit]

Maybe not but Bergeron might be a top 5 player in the whole league. Their top 6 would be pretty legit and you would have to wonder when they're going to tire completely of the perpetual rebuild.

 

Bergeron would probably have to be 27 instead of 30 for them to really be tempted.

 

Bergeron would probably have to be 25 and under. With McDavid you are getting 3 years at min. salary as well. Bergeron is making over 7.5 for the next 4 years and might only be good for another 5. A better trade offer would be Taveras, Strome and Nick Leddy from NYI and even that offer I could see Edmonton saying no to.

[Zaun of the Dead]

That offer is much better. Throw in the Isles 1st rounder and I think the Oilers would agree to that deal.

[Laika]

No, that's just silly.

 

There's a decent chance that McDavid is never as good as Tavares is currently.

[GD]

A better trade offer would be Taveras, Strome and Nick Leddy from NYI and even that offer I could see Edmonton saying no to.

 

wat

[Zaun of the Dead]

I think you guys are underestimating how good McDavid is probably going to be.

[Laika]

I think you guys are underestimating how good McDavid is probably going to be.

 

There's just two ways of answering that type of question.

 

One way (you) is to say that I think player X is going to be this good.

 

The other way is to say that player X has a range of possible outcomes of varying likelihood. He could be so good, or so bad, or somewhere in the middle. The most rational thing to assume is that he's somewhere in the middle.

 

Do you think a 50th percentile outcome for McDavid has him being as good as Crosby?

 

If you simulate Connor McDavid's career 100,000 times, what would be the most common outcome?