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[connorp]

Well, I think it i was shaping it to anti-WAR angle like CBS guy..

 

Actually i forgot the biggest issue of them all which is defense. Unless there's 3-4 years worth of data in that regard to average out and apply.. Its not responsible to use those numbers to rank guys in a given season

[GD]

Well, I think it i was shaping it to anti-WAR angle like CBS guy..

 

Actually i forgot the biggest issue of them all which is defense. Unless there's 3-4 years worth of data in that regard to average out and apply.. Its not responsible to use those numbers to rank guys in a given season

 

Why? That's only for predicting future defensive value, using current season stats for current season evaluation is fine.

[connorp]

Also just the one point on GD's answer that didnt satisfy me on..

 

I dont think you can punish a guy just cause he gets more opps being on a good team. He does in fact literally help his team win more (in that given season, like the WS MVP in a much sss) when he produces more runs. Again, cause we are talking about actual runs in games and not a hypothetical vaccum for comparison

[connorp]

Why? That's only for predicting future

defensive value, using current season stats for current season evaluation is fine.

 

No way. During that sample size he could have had way fewer tough/impossible plays. You think a +15 fielder that goes to -1 the next year changed that much?

[GD]

Also just the one point on GD's answer that didnt satisfy me on..

 

I dont think you can punish a guy just cause he gets more opps being on a good team. He does in fact literally help his team win more (in that given season, like the WS MVP in a much sss) when he produces more runs. Again, cause we are talking about actual runs in games and not a hypothetical vaccum for comparison

 

Oi. You're giving the guy credit for being put in a situation he doesn't control.

[connorp]

I think the problem is you darn kids and the "affirmative action" generation

 

Us old timers (im 34) know life isnt fair and deal with it:)

[Captain Adama]

I think the problem is you darn kids and the "affirmative action" generation

 

Us old timers (im 34) know life isnt fair and deal with it:)

 

Oh all these diseases suck, but we'll deal with it.

[Abomination]

I think the problem is you darn kids and the "affirmative action" generation

 

Us old timers (im 34) know life isnt fair and deal with it:)

 

There's no good answer to your question. WAR is mildly flawed in hitting, and extremely flawed in pitching and defense. With the current data at our disposal, it's also one of the best tools we have.

 

More to the point though, I have a hard time in these kinds of awards penalizing the defense of someone like Cabrera or Choo who are playing out of position at the team's request.

[connorp]

There's no good answer to your question. WAR is mildly flawed in hitting, and

extremely flawed in pitching and defense. With the current data at our disposal, it's also one of the best tools we have.

 

More to the point though, I have a hard time in these kinds of awards penalizing the defense of someone like Cabrera or Choo who are playing out of position at the team's request.[/quote

 

I wasnt trying to take down WAR. I used to do lengthly battles with guys like BTS but i now look at fangraphs only over BR. Looking beyond traditional stats i mean

 

I just can understand some traditionalist takes on MVP.. Though i dont have concrete opinion on it

[G-Snarls]

[Ehh]

 

 

Yeah....it was all their fault. Damn bench coach wasn't pickin up the sunflower seeds like Ron told him

[Boxcar]

Holy f*** Heyman is a moron (put Trout third and left Gomez out of top 10):

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/23927810/wins-over-war-cabrera-mccutchen-get-mvp-nods-here-max-cy

 

Just checking, but does this make sense to anybody:

 

"(Note: the reason his big September last year counted so much is the Tigers needed it, whereas they had things pretty well wrapped up by September this year even if they only wound up winning the division by a game.)"

 

Jesus f***, this guy is a goddamn retard.

 

 

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

AL Executive of the Year

 

1. Ben Cherington, Red Sox: Intentional or not, the strategy to bring in a multitude of mid-range contributors looks brilliant. Great job.

 

2. Billy Beane, A's: Do we hear Moneyball, the Sequel?

 

3. Chris Antonetti, Indians: The Ubaldo Jimenez trade looks worthwhile today, Scott Kazmir definitely was and all the Indians turned out better than most of us thought. The Tigers' Dave Dombrowski deserves mention every year.

NL Executive of the Year

 

1. Neal Huntington, Pirates: Francisco Liriano, Jason Grilli Mark Melancon and Russell Martin were all winning winter moves.

 

2. Ned Colletti, Dodgers: They spent a lot, but it turns out they mostly spent well. In the end, even Juan Uribe paid dividends.

 

3. Frank Wren, Braves: The cheapie pickups (David Carpenter, Anthony Varvaro, Jordan Schafer, Evan Gattis among them) helped Atlanta roll to the title. The Cardinals' John Mozeliak did his usual fine job, as well.

 

 

ARE

YOU

f***ING

KIDDING

ME

 

NED COLLETTI

OVER MOZELIAK OR...ANYBODY ELSE.

 

NO FRIEDMAN

 

THIS MAN IS PAID

PAAAID

TO WRITE ABOUT BASEBALL

PAID!!!!!!!!

PEOPLE READ HIM AND TAKE HIS OPINION SERIOUSLY!!!

 

I'm off the deep end guys. This world doesn't make any sense anymore.

[GD]

What language is that? Christ.

[GD]

http://www.obstructedview.net/news-and-rumors/cubs-to-make-a-run-at-brian-mccann.html

 

If the Cubs sign McCann and trade Castillo, and all other catching options are exhausted, he could be half decent.

[Nox]

There's no good answer to your question. WAR is mildly flawed in hitting, and extremely flawed in pitching and defense.

 

Hyperbolic at best.

[G-Snarls]

Sveum hired by Kansas City

 

Role to be determined

[kcjaysfan]

Sveum hired by Kansas City

 

Role to be determined

 

Hitting coach maybe?

[G-Snarls]

Hitting coach maybe?

 

I thought of you when I read the news. They're suggesting infield/bench coach.

[G-Snarls]

[kcjaysfan]

I thought of you when I read the news. They're suggesting infield/bench coach.

 

He's been a third base/bench coach before, so that would fit. I think he was also the hitting coach for the Brewers for a year.

[jays_fever]

Chad Curtis goes to jail for touching teenage girls. Poor form Curtis..poor form.

[TheHurl]

Regis vs. Trout

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/crowd-goes-wild/video/questions-out-of-left-field-mike-trout-100313?related=96b244ac-9073-4d4e-a4ef-008adc23fcdd

[G-Snarls]

CBS Sports:

 

ATLANTA -- Dodgers owner Magic Johnson suggested he has confidence the team will lock up likely Cy Young winner Clayton Kershaw to a new contract this winter but there won't be room even in their vast budget for star second baseman Robinson Cano, too.

 

Other sources suggest the Dodgers and Kershaw were talking about a deal for $200-million-plus sometime in the summer before talks broke off. The deal was said to have been for at least seven years, and possibly eight, and may have included an opt-out provision a few years into it.

[G-Snarls]

Did you hear that? That was the sound of Cano's market value dropping from 300M to 200M.

[G-Snarls]

Probably just posturing though.

 

Possibly. And his market value was never 300M anyway. That was just the starting point for negotiations.

 

Regardless, I think Hank Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman should send Magic Johnson a case of Dom Perignon to say "thank you"

[Angrioter]

Dusty Baker fired!!!

 

Good to see. Hopefully Ron Washington is next.

 

WFT lol

Nen, Wood, Prior, Burkett, Reuter, Switt, Volquez, Ortiz, Schmidt and.................................Cueto?

[G-Snarls]

Fangraphs asked a bunch of Major Leaguers who the best player in baseball was. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/players-view-who-is-the-best-player-in-the-game/

 

Brian Dozier displays a hilarious lack of awareness:

 

Last week on Gold Gloves: "In the past, a lot of who wins a defensive award has had to do with offensive stats. Guys I felt were the best at their position defensively didn’t win because they got out-hit." This week on Miguel Cabrera: "Miguel Cabrera ... he plays a decent third base." Hmm...

 

Blue Jays:

 

Casey Janssen, Toronto Blue Jays pitcher: “I’ve got to say Miguel Cabrera. He’s the biggest threat there is at the plate, and he plays a good enough third base. He puts the team on his back. He has presence. When you play them, you circle his name on the lineup card.”

 

Adam Lind, Toronto Blue jays outfielder: “Mike Trout, I guess, if you’re going to go with overall. He does everything.”

 

So, Lind is smarter than Dozier??

[G-Snarls]

And what Casey said is true - I doubt there's any hitter a pitcher would less rather face than Miggy in a high leverage situation

[Boxcar]

I feel like players who are generally underrated should take more interest in a stat that values them accurately. Pence is one of those guys, what an ignorant dumbass.

[Angrioter]

Fangraphs asked a bunch of Major Leaguers who the best player in baseball was. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/players-view-who-is-the-best-player-in-the-game/

 

Brian Dozier displays a hilarious lack of awareness:

 

Last week on Gold Gloves: "In the past, a lot of who wins a defensive award has had to do with offensive stats. Guys I felt were the best at their position defensively didn’t win because they got out-hit." This week on Miguel Cabrera: "Miguel Cabrera ... he plays a decent third base." Hmm...

 

Also, Hunter Pence: "WAR? I think it’s kind of a silly statistic. I don’t even know what factors are involved." lol at evaluating things you admit to knowing nothing about.

 

Blue Jays:

 

Casey Janssen, Toronto Blue Jays pitcher: “I’ve got to say Miguel Cabrera. He’s the biggest threat there is at the plate, and he plays a good enough third base. He puts the team on his back. He has presence. When you play them, you circle his name on the lineup card.”

 

Adam Lind, Toronto Blue jays outfielder: “Mike Trout, I guess, if you’re going to go with overall. He does everything.”

 

 

What?.....and now Lind is smart.