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Yeah that would actually feel entirely reasonable given where contracts for elite hitters have gone in recent seasons.

I think Santander and Teoscar are approximately equal quality defenders. Teoscar makes boneheaded mistakes but he's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be. Go back over the last 4 seasons in right field and Teoscar is +1 DRS/-8 OAA, vs Santander who is -7 OAA/-4 DRS.

Vlad had a bad first 4 weeks to start the season. His first half still saw him produce a 135 wRC+, and from April 28-end of season he was MLB's second best hitter behind Aaron Judge with an MVP level 181 wRC+.

That depends on what version of Bo shows up.

I think the faster than expected decline from George Springer dramatically changed the overall outlook of the club. I think if you had any inkling that Springer would become a league average bat basically overnight things would have unfolded a lot differently.

It was reported that the opt out is after the third season which would be a fantastic outcome for the club.

The offseason is starting to actually look semi decent with this signing. I think the club added a win or two with the Gimenez acquisition depending on the bat, potentially added another win or so with each of Yimi and Hoffman depending on their ability to avoid major injury, and likely added 2.5 wins with the Santander addition. If they can manage to squeeze in rotation help and another bat I think that's a fantastic offseason, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is basically the last major addition.

Are you this bad at the internet that you've completely failed to properly use the ignore list? As a newcomer you have exactly zero sway here, and as such have no standing to tell long time posters that they aren't allowed to post their opinions here. Believe it or not this board isn't a giant echo chamber like the circles you appear to typically hang in. There are bound to be differing opinions presented. You seem to be generally lacking in social intelligence as you have repeatedly shown yourself to be incapable of discussing your opinions like a normal adult without constantly lashing out, calling names, starting drama etc. There's no need to be such a drama queen, the current front office hasn't "destroyed the franchise", that's just hyperbolic nonsense. With a few smart additions they can compete for a wildcard spot, and if it doesn't work out the team can be largely blown up and a rebuild can begin. This isn't the end of the franchise despite your proclamations of doom. They aren't the "worst management group in Toronto history, that's an outright ridiculous statement for a city with such a long and storied sporting past that extends nearly 50 years for the Blue Jays, and over a century for the Maple Leafs and so on. Try taking a deep breath and posting like a rational human being instead of these childish temper tantrums and you'll have a much easier time here.

It would kind of painful to see these guys opt after a single season of play as if I'm not mistaken the team would be surrendering their second and third highest draft picks. They stand to pick fairly high in the upcoming draft and I don't think it nearly be worthwhile surrendering this type of draft capital for single seasons of defensively limited slugger types.

There is a bit of a factual error in the article. It states that the American League's team average runs per game was 6.66, but this simply can't be true. The overall average runs scored per game in MLB was only 4.39 runs per game. I crunched the raw numbers for the American League and came to an average of 4.27 runs per game as the league was lower scoring as a whole compared to the National League. This shows the Jays offense to be a tad below average last season as their 4.14 runs/game was only 0.13 below the league average, vs being well over 2 runs below average.

Fielder had a far worse body than Vlad, and his career was ruined by neck issues. I did some quick research and it appears as though the herniated disc first occurred back in 2013 when Fielder was 29 years old. There has been discussion over whether the extra weight has the reason that Fielder suffered from the initial herniated disc but that's something that we'll never really know for certain.

I simply don't believe Vlad is going to be the type of player who is going to put the extreme amount of effort required for him to be an effective hitter let alone above average overall player into his late 30's. He's shown the propensity for slacking off in his early years, and I think it's a very real concern that he loses interest in proper conditioning once he's past his physical prime and all of the associated aches and pains with becoming middle aged start to rear their ugly head. For every Nelson Cruz and Big Papi I could likely list 40-50 or however many guys experienced dramatic dropoffs to their offensive profile in the early to mid 30's.

Stop acting like you have some sort of baseball specific bad body player crystal ball. Both of Pujols and Cabrera were below average MLB players by the time they were 34. It takes a pretty giant leap of faith to assume that Vlad will be a useful player by the time he's damn near 40. Ortiz and Cruz are the few outliers who were largely able to defy father time better than most others, and were the exception rather than the rule. And the lame Atkins burner account nonsense is just so tired and played out. I could throw a similarly dim witted comment back in your direction in saying that you are the president of the Vlad fan club as you are willfully ignoring the guy's inconsistent offensive profile and the multitude of concerns that come with signing this guy to a long term extension. I'd still love to see him locked up but at the same time I can recognize that this isn't exactly a sure thing to provide value throughout the entire deal as Vlad is more than likely to be a DH only player within the next 5 or so years, and thus the last 7 or 8 years will be paying the man $35 million a season as a pure DH only.

That's awfully optimistic to expect Vlad to be above average offensively until his late 30's. Pujols was pretty much done as an effective hitter as his last above average season offensively was his age 36 season. Miguel Cabrera had a single good offensive season after his age 33 season as well. Vlad is very likely to be a below average player by his early to mid 30's, which leaves the back half of a 13 year extension as most likely being under water. There is a ton of risk in signing this guy to this length of deal simply based on long term extensions for first basemen. Add in the bad body concerns and there is massive landmine potential sooner rather than later.

No he really hasn't. Springer's best ever average sprint speed was 28.4 ft/second. Last season he averaged 28.1 ft/second.

I'd guess teams just didn't think the potential reward would be worth the multitude of headaches they would have to deal with.

Puig and Vlad seem to employ the same type of strategy on the bases.

I still think the Marlins made out like bandits getting out from Stanton's contract before he turned into a pumpkin.

JDM drastically underproduced his xwOBA by 38 points and saw his overall season numbers take a large dip solely due to a slump in September. He was almost certainly victimized by some awful luck on batted balls as he produced a .332 xwOBA for the month and was "rewarded" for his efforts with a .184 wOBA and .150 BABIP. I think he should have something left in the tank moving forward although he's getting old enough that he'll drop off dramatically sooner or later.

I wonder if the team would intend to use him out of the rotation as Hoffman was reportedly looking for a rotation spot. He has a nice pitch mix but it remains to be seen how the stuff plays out of the rotation vs out of the pen.

Manoah has 3 years of remaining control. He's still potentially a mid rotation if not slightly better arm once he returns to full health. He's far less expensive than Romano at this point as well so it's a pretty easy decision to hang onto him for at least another season. If he comes back from Tommy John a shell of his former self the club can simply choose to move on from him in the offseason so there is very little risk here.

That's certainly possible. I think he had a bit of a Halladay light package in that he could paint both sides of the plate with sinkers and cutters but I agree it's like he basically turned himself into an innings eater instead of a true top of the rotation guy. He's still had a very nice career at any rate although he may be reaching the end of it pretty quickly. Perhaps he can transition to a pen guy eventually to see if the stuff ticks up a bit in shorter (pun intended) outings where he can air things out a bit.

Seems a bit like karma biting him in the ass. I recall he trashed the Blue Jays clubhouse years ago when the team dared to trade him to the Mets instead of his preferred New York team in the Yankees. I loved watching that guy pitch when he was a Jay but the massive Napoleon complex and constant chip on his shoulder and associated drama got old in a real hurry.

I've made the observation that George seems to have maintained a lot of his athleticism in the field and on the bases, but despite still possessing above average swing speeds he's lost a huge chunk of his power output at the plate. He's gone from a player who was solidly able to outproduce his expected statistics year over year to one who has been underproducing the last few seasons as compared to xwOBA. I've presented a theory previously that the post season collision and subsequent shoulder surgery could be behind the sudden loss of ability to pull the ball in the air, but perhaps it's simply a case of slowing reflexes and more of a timing related issue. I think that it could be beneficial to make some sort of adjustment to either shorten his swing a tad to allow him to square up the ball more effectively, use a lighter bat if possible or to start simply cheating a little at the plate and starting his swing a little bit sooner.