ValiantJaysFan

K have fun in New York, Bo. 😂 Man will be getting booed by May playing at third. Atkins will pivot to Bellinger, who I don’t like at all and think is massively over rated. I really hope he turns to the trade market instead. Steve Kwan or bust.

At this point tbh trade options look better than FA. Steven Kwan would fit this team nicely and will likely age better than Tucker or Bo. Bo never intended to sign here guys, I called it years ago. He’s never wanted to be here and always thought he deserved to be paid like he’s Jeter in his prime. I’d be shocked if he were back.

Oh when he’s playing he’s definitely a great player. Unfortunately the guy can’t stay healthy. I own him in my fantasy league, if I get more than 80 games out of him I’m pleasantly surprised. Hes gone 3 straight years with 100 games now so bonus. Absolutely no one in my league will trade for him lol. Guy is just always out extended periods.

If Robert could stay on the field and wasn’t made of cheap glass I might be interested.

I'd expect them to trade Lukes if they get Tucker, maybe find someone willing to take Santander if the Jays eat some of his salary. Lot easier to clear some space for an OFer imo. Especially with Varsho likely gone next year also. To me Ernie has earned the right to be entrenched in the lineup as the every day, but if he's happy to play super utility for another year I guess sure. I just really don't like Bo in the field, guy would be a great DH but that's about all within the next few years.

Bo doesn't really have a spot available on this roster any more with Kaz signed, unless you wanna move Clement, which I sure as hell do not. Let him go to Philly and throw the ball over Harper's head for 8+ years.

Guess now we know why the Jays didn't sign him before the season last year. Way too much for a one tool player with fading legs.

This is RIP for Bo, I think ultimately that’s fine, Giminez at SS and Clement at 2B is infinitely sexier defensively than any combo of Bo/Gimi at SS/2B. But we get Tucker I guess that means Barger to LF rather than 3B as it stands now. Definitely big trade coming, hopefully a bat for a CP and then sign Tucker. anyway on a scale of 1-10 how horny should I be about Okamoto?

Guess I was thinking of Muramaki

Isn’t this the guy that can’t hit fastballs? Or was that the other Japanese guy?

Tucker. I can't stomach watching Bo field any more, but more than that, his legs are shot and I don't think he's going to age well. Without moderate speed he becomes a 1 tool player. With Tucker, he has all 5 tools, Barger moves to third, Santander to LF which he's better suited for, Ernie at 2nd, Giminez at SS...that's a nasty infield, a solid OF, and the ability to go 1) Springer (R) 2) Tucker (L) 3) Vladdy (R) 4) Barger (L) 5) Santander (S) ...is pretty sexy. 2027, Santander becomes the DH if Springer leaves or retires. It just works better imo. If you take the emotion out of it, and we didn't draft/develop Bo, and they were both just free agents from other teams, I think we'd mostly be saying Tucker. More money, sure, but it ain't my money so I don't care lol.

Recap of today: - Rogers signs Shapiro - Shapiro signs Rogers

Diaz signs with the Dodgers. So much for that.

I might be more excited about this than Cease. Best case he’s our 4/5 pitcher. If tha doesn’t work out this guy could probably close games or at least set them up.

A true closer would be nice.

Yeah, sorry, just adding my two cents. Quoted you because I was about to play contrarian. 😂

I don’t think anyone here is saying Cease “sucks.” The issue isn’t whether he can rack up strikeouts or accumulate fWAR in a FIP-friendly model. Everyone knows the stuff is elite. The question is whether that profile is worth seven years, not whether he’s capable of a good season. If you’re going to bring up fWAR, then you also have to acknowledge the full context: Cease’s value is driven heavily by strikeouts and FIP estimators that tend to favor high-K, high-BB pitchers even when their actual run prevention fluctuates wildly year to year. His ERA bouncing between 2.20 and 4.70 isn’t “contrarian opinion,” it’s his statistical reality. That level of variance matters a lot when you’re committing $210M and expecting stability for the better part of a decade. It’s not about one season of 4.55 ERA. It’s about the fact that Cease has shown real command volatility, deep counts, and hard-contact issues when the slider isn’t sharp, and those traits usually don’t age cleanly into a pitcher’s 30s. No one is denying the upside. The concern is the downside — and with Cease, the gap between the two is bigger than it is for most pitchers who get this kind of contract. This is the exact profile I was worried the Jays would chase. If you enjoy the kind of outings where a pitcher alternates strikeouts with walks and hard contact, leading to 90+ pitches by the third or fourth inning, then sure, celebrate it. But that’s been Cease’s pattern. He’s got a ton of upside, but he also has a ton to prove. It’s great that Rogers is opening the wallet, but this is not a low-stress pitcher. The Jays already had plenty of volatility with guys like Berríos; this deal adds even more.

I’m not gaslighting anyone. I clarified what I meant, and anyone reading in good faith understands the point I was making about middle-infield planning and how Marte fits into it. If some of you want to turn that into a character drama, that’s on you. I’ve said my piece.

Yes, that’s the sentence, and the context was always implicit: a check-in on Marte only really matters in the context of middle-infield planning, and Bo’s future is naturally part of that. It wasn’t ‘Bo is gone,’ it was shorthand for why the Marte rumour raised eyebrows in the first place.

To be clear, I’m not saying the Jays ‘insulted’ Bo or shouldn’t explore options. I’m saying that checking in on Marte specifically, not just any random depth piece, naturally ties into middle-infield planning, and Bo’s situation is part of that landscape whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That’s not blaming the FO or suggesting they’re doing something wrong, it’s just acknowledging why this particular name raised eyebrows.

There’s nothing to ‘change.’ My point has been the same from the start, checking in on Marte specifically fits into middle-infield contingency planning, which naturally includes Bichette’s situation. If you want to pretend that’s ‘doubling down’ because it makes for a better storyline in your head, that’s fine. I’m just discussing the baseball side.

You just repeated the same point three people have already made, and none of you have actually addressed what I said. I never claimed a ‘check-in’ proves Bo is gone. I said that checking in on Marte specifically is part of preparing for scenarios where the middle infield changes, which naturally includes Bichette’s situation. Saying ‘the FO checks on everyone’ doesn’t resolve that. It just ignores the nuance. Anyway, I’ve made my point. If you want to treat it like some huge meltdown, go ahead. I’m done going in circles.

If that’s all you’ve got left, I’ll take the win. Let me know when you’re done yelling and ready to talk baseball.

You’re putting a lot of effort into pretending I needed a lesson, but nothing you’ve written actually refutes the point: checking in on Marte specifically is a middle-infield contingency, and Bichette’s situation is naturally part of that conversation. If you want to wrap that in sarcasm and pretend it’s ‘educating’ me, go ahead. I’m not here to role-play with you, just talking baseball.

You keep repeating the same thing without actually addressing what I said. Nobody is arguing that teams don’t talk to multiple players in the offseason. The point was that checking in on Marte specifically, a high value, controlled infielder, is usually tied to middle-infield planning, including scenarios where Bichette isn’t extended. Pretending that every ‘check-in’ is equal is where your argument falls apart. There’s a difference between broad off-season canvassing and targeting a player whose position overlaps with your franchise shortstop/2B's long-term role. You can call that “cope” if it helps you, but it doesn’t make your oversimplified take any less shallow.