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Time for a Pat Gillick trade in the off-season. Trade Vladdy (For reasons discussed) and Bo (He is not signing extension ego aside) to the San Diego Padres for two players!!! Let’s go discuss…

Arbitration will be interesting for Vladdy this year! Might be some bruised egos after Jays offer $12 million and Vladdy asks for $18 million. Especially after they sign Bo Bichette to a 10 year 350 million contract all but sending Vladdy out the door via trade!

The RISP curse strikes again, now even afflicting our “Knight in Schneider Armour” 🙄

Defense aside. I hope the Jays management do not bring Chapman back as the 3rd baseman! His hitting does not help this team at all and he lacks any situational hitting skills and actually affected Vladdy this season with zero protection in the batting order! I have no faith in Chapman when he comes to the plate with runners on, either strike out or pop-up to right field. f***ing useless!

So true, everyone and I mean everyone over estimates prospects value. I would say in past years if 2 prospects a team drafted in the 40 rounds made it to the big league as better than replacement level players that was a win-win for any team. If you hit with 3-4 in a year, a team hit the f***ing jackpot but super rare and i mean super rare this has ever happened. So to put things in perspective, the 20 players the Jays drafted this year, one might end being better than replacement level! AA got it right with trading prospects, keep the ones that are good, trade away prospects to fill holes whenever you can at any point! I think the baseball draft of throwing around millions to first round talents gives a profound impression on baseball enthusiasts that every prospects in first 1-3 rounds are can't miss types of talent and assume they are as sure as the "real thing". Stats will show most will not crack AA or flame out at the MLB level due to over-hype, injuries, improper coaching, poor work ethic, improper nutrition, family issues, bad attitude, etc. So many things stacked against a prospect to succeed and why the Jays undertook a training program for new draft prospects to hopefully put them on the right path to success!

Don’t think fans would mind either for the homecoming and might just what the players need for a lift in spirits.

He threw yesterday touching 95-96 probably a couple more outings in AAA.

We’ve all seen the last 4-5 years that the teams with the deepest bullpens last in the race to wild card and tend to be the shut down teams in the playoffs! Atkins had to secure a top closer type pitcher and solidify the pen. Might be the best moves Atkins has done the last 5 years by picking up a hard throwing lefty off the waiver wire and trading for Hicks. Just need one solid slugging hitter to provide depth protection for Vlad and waiver wire Biggio.

We’ve all seen the last 4-5 years that the teams with the deepest bullpens last in the race to wild card and tend to be the shut down teams in the playoffs! Atkins has to secure a top closer type pitcher and solidify the pen. Might be the best moves Atkins has done the last 5 years by picking up a hard throwing lefty on the waiver wire and trading for Hicks. Just need one solid slugging hitter to provide depth protection for Vlad and waiver wire Biggio.

Just need to maybe aquire Tommy Pham or Lane Thomas to mash left handed pitchers the Jays will have to face next two months or Jordan Montgomery in the playoffs!

The questions is…. Does Schneider have the balls to announce him as “The Closer” until Romano comes back and what if Romano falters after coming back, do we deal with Romano’s pride versus sticking with Hicks?! Will be interesting!

Romano 97-99 Hicks 99-102 Pearson 97-100 Garcia 96-98 Swanson 95-96 Mayza 96-97 Pop - 96-98 Jackson 95-96 That’s a lot of f***ing heat! Need to 100% designate Mitch White now instead of shuffling Jackson or Pearson back to AAA. Would piss off players and fans time to let him hit waiver wire which I think he would pass through!

Well considering the next 17 days no day off and now no closer. Trade deadline is obvious. Josh Hader, Scott Barlow, Jordan Hicks… Better to have two cause you cannot be sure Romano will come back 100% healthy. We will face a lot of close games next 60 days! Ballsy move would be to go after Soto and Hader and offer up Alex Manoah, Orelvis Martinez, Tucker Toman, Yosver Zulueta

Time to trade Nate Pearson and Ricky Teidemann for Shohei Ohtani lol.

Yes he did, best feel good point of the game, he showed a lot of emotion when he got out of the 10th! He was like i gave it my all for this team and was really pumped!!!

Cito would employ the John Olerud tactic on Vladdy lol!

f***ing Vladdy. Please dont sign this guy to a long term contract!!!

If given this team a lot of "personal" rope this year but Jesus enough is a enough! 1. We need a new hitting coach to come in and teach situational hitting, Vladdy does not get it and never will until it is drilled in his head not to swing at everything and understand what he needs to do at the plate. Sit him if he does not listen, if not this will cost us more games in the long run then short term. 2. Trade Kirk in off-season if you can, if not give him option that if he comes in over-weight in spring training his is starting in AAA until he gets in shape! He is costing games because his weight is now affecting every aspect of his game in agility, speed on base pads, and his swing has been off all year. 3. Let Chapman walk, great defense but not worth 150-200 million on 7 year contract with providing no protection for hitters hitting 4-8 in the lineup. 4. Sign a left fielder or right fielder slugger in the off-season to provide protection for Vladdy. without protection for him this lineup has no hope in 2024.

Poor Nomar garciaparra with the Red Sox, if he was around now he would have to retire with all the touching of his body and toe taps between pitches. Jesus, league should have cracked down back then!!!

Joey Cueto fits the bill on a 1 year 10 million deal at age 37-38. Maybe with some 1-2 million in incentives on innings pitched.

Do you think the Jays Brass are holding out hopes for Nate Person nailing down a bullpen spot for a 7th-8th inning guy. I read somewhere that coming into 2023 spring training he is being groomed as a 1 inning relief guy and his Dominican Winter Leagues showing looked good! I don’t see the Jays getting another bullpen guy with Pearson waiting to claim a spot! That being said, I can see the Jays signing Corey Kluber, Jonny Cueto, or Michael Wacha. Would be interesting to see based on Jays new outfield defense which pitcher would benefit most with fly ball outs if signed by the Blue Jays???

MLB Trade Simulator says this: Varsho is worth 74.5 Moreno + Gurriel is worth 59.3

Imagine if out of nowhere the Jays signed Rodon to a 7 year contract for 210 million and did what Atlanta did when they had the best rotation and still went out and signed Greg Maddux to a large deal!!! What a f***ing statement that would be to the rest of the 29 other MLB teams including the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Padres.... The Blue Jays.... "Lets....Play.... Ball"!!!!

Let’s play for fun…. With those 3 teams mentioned let’s take Jansen out of the equation and add Kirk. What do you guys think would be a truly fair ask in return for 5 years of an All-Star catcher who is viewed as one of the best low strike zone receiver catchers with potential of .300 type hitter What could each of those teams offer in return! True fair value deal as I think he has the best big haul potential that teams would want!

Looks like Atkins will miss out on every top free agent available this year! Regardless of how the off-season went and crazy spending by Mets and Padres this will come back to haunt Atkins/ Shapiro. Both talking smack to the media that they have “The Resources” and could eclipse any salary penalties. This is not the time to trade away assets for other players, you sign free agents when you’re 1-2 players away. History has proven this time and time again. The Jays will come up short making playoffs and Shapiro will make Atkins the scapegoat and dismiss him as GM at the end of the season. Major mis-calculation by Atkins/Shapiro in the free agent market if in fact they had the dollars to strike for a good pitcher even if a 50-75 million overpay if it gave you the edge to make the playoffs and potential World Series. To be honest no trade is going to put this team over the hump when you take away good players on the existing team. Not making it past the first round in playoffs from last year and next two is not good enough for the fan base after waiting and buying into the rebuild. Now is the time to f***ing go for it and hope you win once in 3 years with the core or we go for whole rebuild for another 6-7 years, you will not get a Bo and Vlad again in the next 10 years come along. Again, Atkins/ Shapiro totally mis-read the market. Could they still make a big splash and sign Rodon yes, but are they going to commit 210 million to a player. They need to stop thinking about signing Bo and Vlad. Bo is NOT staying in Toronto he has never said he would or would be open to an extension. Vlad has said he would but he is NOT going to take a discount now, players union will not allow him to and his market would be huge. In all this, Atkins and Shapiro need to say f*** it, sign someone like Rodon and you have 4 solid pitchers next 4-6 years, trade Bo and Vlad in final year 2025 for stud prospects and they are back in playoffs 2027 onwards. f*** the sustainable competitor model never works for any team, every team in MLB has down years and need to re-tool or rebuild. Time is now Atkins and Shapiro at least you could look in the camera at the fan base and say you tried even if you come up short in 2023-2024 but at least you f***ing tried if you land Rodon or another stud pitcher!