TilsonBritoFan

He was hall of fame calibre before roids, after roids he became greatest ever. How good would griffey have been if he took same stuff as Barry? Griffey had better early career numbers...

He sure does bud.

Not arguing your first point, but your second point is a bannable offense.

Nice lineup but Mantle over Thomas on your bench. Also Miggy on the bench too. He'll go down as an all time great.

U trolling us, bro?

This is perhaps the dumbest question ever asked. Griffey was one of the greatest ever.

I come from 3 hours west of Toronto and we took the kids to a game last month on Stroman bobblehead day. We parked at Wilson, which is only a few minutes from Yorkdale, and it was free parking and not busy there despite the large crowds at the game that day. Kids loved the subway ride since we are from small town Ontario. I'd strongly recommend it!

oh yeah, I'm not saying it should be some new way AA should take advantage of the market and do it every year or anything, I'm just saying if we take the plunge FOR ONCE and sign a guy, unless we hand out an incredibly stupid contract there will always be someone who might want to give us assets for that player should things go south.

Do not want Ross unless its for cheap. He is a bit of a product of Petco. His minor league numbers never indicated he'd be a stud pitcher in MLB, and his 3 year home/away ERA split is not good: 2.48 HOME/4.61 ROAD Don't get me wrong he'd be useful as a back of the rotation guy but that's his ceiling in the A.L. so I wouldnt give up much for him. We need front of the rotation arms

you see, this is why we need to dip into the FA market from time to time for a big splash. Its worth the gamble. If it doesn't work out you can often find a team to give you assets for a player you got for free. We gave up quality for Reyes, SD will get quality for Shields, and they got Shields for a freaking deal this year compared to the next 3 years... Its a no brainer, you can usually move these contracts for assets if they don't work out, so long as they aren't too long. E.g. if we put Martin on the market we'd get something for him...

Sorry didn't know Twistedlogic had posted something similar already

Here's one reason we have the best run differential in the league and best offense in terms of runs scored, but are sitting below .500. Lets compare some Jays/Yankees stats. # of games we scored 6+ runs: 42 out of 91 games. We score 6 or more runs 46% of the time! The Jays went 35-7 in those games # of games NYY scored 6+ runs: 27 out of 88 games. NYY score 6+ runs 31% of the time. Yankees went 23-4 in those games # of games we scored 2 or less runs: 23 out of 91 games. Due to poor pitching this year we almost never win when scoring 2 or less. The Jays went 2-21 # of games NYY scored 2 or less runs: 25 out of 88 games. NYY managed to go 2-24 # of games we scored between 3 and 5 runs: 26 times. The Jays record in these games is 9-17. # of games NYY scored between 3 and 5 runs 36 times and went 23-13 in those 35 games. To summarize: The Yankees, like most teams score between 3 and 5 runs in the majority of their games. They have a slightly better pitching staff than the Jays and they managed to win 64% of those games. The Jays score between 3 and 5 runs less often, and when they do they have a terrible 35% win percentage. This is essentially the difference between these 2 teams. This can't all be pitching...is it...luck? Lets look at the other teams in the East when they score between 3-5 runs per game: TAM: 25-15 .625 BOS: 17-18 .486 BAL: 19-12 .612 NYY: 23-13 .639 TOR: 9-17 .346 As you can see our Jays truly are getting destroyed compared to other teams in the division when they score between 3 and 5 runs per game. Lets take a look at each teams winning percentages in games where they don't score 3-5 runs per game: TOR: 36-29 .537 NYY: 25-27 .481 BOS: 25-29 .463 BAL: 25-32 .439 TAM: 21-30 .420 The Jays would be on top. These games with 3-5 runs are the games they need to win. Almost everyone loses 90% of the games where they score 2 or less. Almost everyone wins 85% of the games where they score 6+. The Jays are comparable there. They are getting killed when they score between 3 and 5 runs.

I also agree with you. I just think its incredibly stupid that we're going to be buying. The clock will be set back a number of years again when they fall flat on their faces. Even if by some miracle they squeaked into the playoffs there is no way this team is winning a championship, it takes pitching and a more well rounded offense to win in the playoffs. This team either scores 10 runs when facing crummy pitching or 1 or 2 runs when facing good pitching. In the playoffs you face good pitching every game. I want to see this team torn down and built properly, without a bunch of stupid trades made 2-3 years too early like we did in 2012. I am very frustrated. VERY.

I would trade Edwin for basically nothing if it allowed us to shed Reyes. This team may technically be in the race, but they aren't getting over the hump and do not deserve to win. There are now too many other teams to outperform with Boston in the race. I've seen these Jays before and its not happening. Its time to blow it up before its too late for us to get anything for these guys. Ideally here's what I would do if I were in control, and I'd be BUSY at the deadline: -Package Reyes along with Edwin - any team willing to absorb the entire horrid contract can have Eddy for free. If there are multiple takers then the best package gets him. If there are no takers, well we may have to eat a bit of contract then. Uggh. -Shop Bautista. Only trade him if the offer is good enough. If not, wait until offseason when his shoulder is better, he might put up better numbers in the 2nd half to boost value. He is not the one to lead this team, he needs to go, he can bring us a lot in return. -Trade Collabello for whatever you can get. -Find out the market for Donaldson. Not looking to deal him but if the right offer was out there you do it. He's going to be 30 next year and may be past his prime when my rebuilt team will be ready to contend. Ideally you get 2 stud future star young position players on the cusp for him. If not then keep him, maybe he can be the vet to lead this team when its ready, in that case lock him up for 5 years. The more likely scenario is I lock him up for 5 years. Lots of payroll room now. -Trade Buehrle. -If anyone will take Dickey, trade him just for the sake of shedding salary and opening a roster spot. If not, DFA him. -Call up Norris & Boyd, to join the rotation. Lets give these pitchers some rope and see what they can do. -Call up Pompey, let him play the rest of the season in LF, lets see what he can do. -Start looking to sign Smoak to a 2-3 year deal...might be able to get him to bite on a 3 year, $15 million deal. I've seen enough to let him run with 1st. If it turns out he can't handle it, $5 million per year for a solid backup 1B/bat on the bench isn't the worst thing. If he finds his stride like I think he can with regular playing time it could be a massive bargain. -Fire Gibby. This is certainly not all his fault but we need a fresh face. This team has failed in 3 kicks at the can on this under his watch. And Gibby has failed in the past with a good team in his first go-around. He may not be a bad manager, but he isn't a great one either - he just isn't able to bring it all together. Good guy, but not the one to lead this team. -Keep on drafting and developing young pitchers like they've been doing. Rebuild properly for a few years, get a high draft pick by sucking big time in the 2nd half this year.

Screw this, I am not wasting my Saturday with this ******** again. Hope the boys pull one out for you guys that stick it out, but I don't have the patience right now

Nice swing Edwin. This team looks like it doesn't give a f***.

I thought this team murders lefties? Not lately. I'd be curious to see how many games we've scored 3 or less runs compared to other teams in the league. I'm confident we lead the league in 8+ run games, but we seem to have an hard time scoring ina lot of games too. If you score 10 runs in half your games and zero runs in the other half, you may lead the league in runs but you'll finish below .500

It would be hilarious if the Jays went for Shields in the same way it was hilarious we went for Reyes. We didn't sign Reyes when he was a FA because we didn't want to give that many years/$$$. The Marlins give him a back loaded contract and we pick him up a year later after the Marlins got him for the first cheap year. WTF? We could have had him for an extra year on the cheap and given up nothing if we just signed him? Same thing would be with Shields. Not willing to give him the years/$$$ he wanted but we're now interested a year later when it will cost us prospects? Shields is $10 million this year, then he jumps to $21 million a year for next 3 years. Why didn't we just sign him???? Again, we could have at least had him for the cheap year! Even if it cost us a few more million to get him to come here over San Diego, those million are probably worth us saving the prospects it would cost. If this is the case and we are actually inquiring about Shields, just f*** off AA.

Honestly, if tomorrow AA packaged Reyes with Edwin to get rid of dat contract, and then dealt Bautista, Buehrle for prospect porn I would be very happy. We might make the playoffs with this team but have zero chance of winning a series with it.

Wow. We're probably going to lose 3 of 4 to both the last place White Sox and last place Red Sox in a span of a week and a bit. Terrible

OK thanks, just got in from driving home from Canada's wonderland with the kids...wasn't watching until now. Makes sense because that would have been odd!

Is this Bob Tewskbury the old Cardinals pitcher from the 80's? If so, a pitcher is a hitting instructor?

Gord Ash tried to trade Halladay + VW for Pedro Astacio if I recall.... ewww

What was ridiculous was Barker went on a 10 minute rant where he didn't come up for air just yelling about Reyes and defending him. It was very hard to listen to.