TilsonBritoFan

Anyone listening to Kevin Barker on baseball central right now? Oh my f***ing god...

wow, JD had the most votes of anyone in either league!

WTF is Bautista's problem? He could have been tossed there. The pitch was clearly a strike

Edwin Jackson-style. Didn't he throw one with like 9 walks and 150 pitches a few years ago?

But...But...sign Estrada to an extension! The amount of over-rating of this guy by some people here and by *******s like Stoeten lately is ridiculous. Kevin Pillar can hit close to .400 for a month, just like Estrada can have a string of good starts. But both are very capable of s***ing the bed for long periods of time, will regress to their norm and are not candidates for big time money obviously.

I think if the Nats trade a pitcher it has to be Zimmerman doesn't it? The guy with the expiring contract? That would make the most sense for them. We could offer them Edwin for Zimmerman but they'd need to give us a lot more due to Zimm being a rental.

This place is a dictatorship is what happened. Question the dictator and you get the ban

When SD was making their moves I couldn't understand the media, including pretty much every reputable baseball insider fawning over them. From the moment they made those moves, I thought the Padres were going to be f***ing terrible. Some horrible, horrible moves they made this offseason. Preller is so overrated.

Yeah but I'd be curious as to how those #'s look if its first and second 0 outs with a hitter of Goins ability coming up compared to same situation with meat of the order? E.g. - 2015 Blue Jays with our 2-3-4 coming up 1st and 2nd 0 out I'd bet we'd be close to 2.0 runs. With bottom of the order its probably closer to 1 run.

1. All I wanted was to win 2 of 3 this weekend. Wasn't looking good an hour ago. Now we have a shot. 2. Go f*** yourself Chris Davis/AJones/Showalter/O's fans in general

Is this a jinx? I can't tell anymore

Dude jinxes don't exist, you didn't do s*** except annoy us.

The Jon is annoying counter is f***ing off the charts though

Super LOLLERCOASTER

Lolllercoaster

Yeah because we all know jinxing is actually a thing

You aren't getting it.

You are looking at their war 2 years after the deal? You're missing the point. You should be looking at pre trade values. Alomar ended up a HOF player. The deal worked out well for us in the end. But at the time, using today's advanced stats, we got raped. Gillick should have got more for Tony & Fred.

Alomar was no more the equivalent of Josh Donaldson than Fernandez was. Fernandez was probably 2nd or 3rd best SS in the AL at 28 was more like the value of Desmond if he still had 2 years control. Alomar maybe Dee Gordon, Kolten Wong or Mookie Betts (or Brett Lawrie before this year?) And Joe Carter was basically Chris Carter or Mark Trumbo. McGriff was basically Goldschmidt. 2 time HR champ, young, stud. If u want to compare to today it would be kinda like us trading Goldschmidt + a younger Desmond for Betts and Chris Carter. Then Betts goes on to a HOF career. Anyone got a better comparison?

The trade was made after the 1990 season. We signed Winfield for 1992, because we needed a DH - a big hole we had in the 1991 season (Rance Mulliniks!!!). We wouldn't have needed Winfield if we had both McGriff/Olerud. That money could have spent elsewhere.

One of Olerud/McGriff could have DH'd. We had a hole at DH.

what does CHP mean?

I'm posting this because I have a different point of view than your average Blue Jays fan in regards to the trade, yet after reading this board for a while, I think (hope) some of you will agree with me. Unlike most who feel Gillick made a steal on this deal, I feel it wasn't the slam dunk we're lead to believe. And I think this is important since many Jays fans point to that trade as the turning point of this organization. Obviously I love Roberto Alomar, he was one of my heroes growing up and an unbelievable hall of fame second baseman - a massive part of our world series teams, take nothing away from that. With the benefit of hindsight I obviously wouldn't undo the deal based on what ended up happening next (winning in 92/93). However I think if that same deal was made tomorrow, in this day and age with our advanced stats, this board would not be in favour of the deal. Remember we traded our own a hall of fame caliber first baseman and all around class act McGriff (its a crime the Crime Dog isn't in the hall) as well as Fernandez, and received Joe Carter, easily the most over-rated Blue Jay of all time. (god bless him for 93' vs Mitch but he really wasn't a good hitter) Most people, including myself when it happened saw it as Alomar for Fernandez and McGriff for Carter. As a boy at the time, I was all about HR and RBI's and looking at those stats thought Carter was pretty much as good as McGriff. Knowing what I know today, I am embarrassed to have thought that. Getting Alomar for Fernandez worked out great for us as Fernandez slipped a bit in San Diego and Alomar took off with us. But McGriff for Carter was brutal in every way imaginable. At the time Fernandez had a better resume than Alomar and was only 28 years old. Fernandez had won 4 straight gold gloves from 86' to 89' and was essentially our "Alomar" at that time - a top of the order hitter, best glove at his position, plus speed (he averaged 4.6 WAR his last 5 seasons with us, made 6 All-Star games, 5 of them as a Blue Jay) Whether Gillick really thought Alomar would turn into a superstar 2B no one really knows, but I think I recall reading somewhere his original target in the deal was Carter for McGriff but San Diego wanted to include Alomar for Fernandez. McGriff for Carter? Thats a bad joke. We traded a guy with a career OPS just over .900 at the time for a guy with a career OPS at the time somewhere around .750. The reason the Jays won the world series is not because we got Alomar and Carter to put us over the top. That trade wasn't the turning point for the team. We already had a team that had averaged 90.1 wins per season the last 8 years from 1983 - 1990, despite a middling payroll. We won in 92/93 because they opened the purse strings and started to spend to fill holes and put us over the top. I was surprised to learn that in 1990 the Jays had a payroll of $18 million, 12th in a 26 team league. By 1991 they spent $31 million (9th in the league) and 1992 rocketed up to #1 with a $49 million payroll. I think if we kept McGriff/Fernandez and then basically tripled our payroll over the next 2 seasons as they ended up doing, we could have still won the 2 world series and maybe even more. But who knows. Don't get me wrong, now that we know how it all turned out, I wouldn't go back and undo the deal. But knowing what we do know, if that deal was made today, we would be FREAKING on this board with all our advanced stats. I just think that Gillick gets too much credit for this deal. I think he accidentally stumbled across Alomar, and this deal would have been a nightmare for us if Alomar hadn't worked out as well as he did.

I have Edwin as my 1B for my fantasy team. I really wish he would show more consistent flashes of the past 3 years...

Praising Colabello for a routine play that he almost botched like a clown? f*** off Buck and Tabby