TwistedLogic

Which is incredible, considering how we all felt prior to the season. http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/4248-Would-you-rather-employ-Stroman-Tanaka-Porcello-Archer-or-Cobb

Part of that second-last tweet might be debatable.

Oops.

As I assumed, when the reports of the Jays interest in Carrasco came out, it probably meant that whatever negotiations they'd had were over. If that deal was going to get done, it probably would have been done before we heard about it.

Exactly this.

If this wasn't the greatest baseball prediction ever, it was definitely one of them.

What if taking Castro out was a deal-breaker? Of all the people who said they wouldn't make this deal, I think you've offered the most defensible and justifiable response so far. You could ask the same of Carrasco, but obviously his name's come up (and maybe that was simply the Jays inquiring and the Indians saying no).

I didn't jump you! How did I jump you? For all you know, your incredible discovery intrigued me to the point of speechlessness, and that image was a reflection of that.

Even though we're pretty far into the season, rest-of-season projections still tell us a bit more than what the current standings will. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/how-much-should-you-believe-in-the-standings-071015

Not so bold but entirely baseless prediction of the day (in which I have no confidence in whatsoever): the Jays make a trade today.

The remainder of the clip was transcribed on various sites, and it didn't really get any better. He just displayed his ignorance further by trying to claim that the lack of education in the Dominican Republic is proof that they're less intelligent than Americans. He's a ****.

Thanks for stopping by and adding to the discussion! First off, I'd just like to clear up that the purpose of this thread was only to create a package similar to what we gave up to Donaldson, to see if people would make that kind of deal again if they had a chance to reflect on it first. Realistically, I know a package for Carrasco would probably look nothing like this, especially because I don't see the Jays dropping Hutchison in a playoff hunt. Most of us here would be open to moving Pompey in a trade for a guy like Carrasco. The only young position player in the entire system that I probably wouldn't move is Travis. Even though it would kill me to move Alford or Hoffman (both guys have an unreal amount of upside), a package of Pompey, Travis and Hoffman for Carrasco would be very hard to turn down. That being said, I do think that from the Indians perspective, they could probably ask for more than that, and if the Jays aren't comfortable raising the offer, you could probably get it from another club. Lastly, can I ask how you found our forum? It'd be great if there was something we could do to attract more people here.

Thanks. http://i.imgur.com/9Jti2Z2.png

That probably is around where you'd put Foley's ceiling, but the fact is that Hutchison is already there. He's already pitching like a #3 starter. We can't really say that Hutch = SRF in trade value, because Foley is still a long way from matching Hutchison; they're not interchangeable. For all we know, Foley might never even make the majors.

It's funny how that's still not the most ideal stretch rotation, because you still have to bank on the volatility of Hutch and Dickey, but of course it's a thousand times better than what they're currently rolling with. That said, I can't see the Jays being able to afford both Carrasco and Ross without obliterating all hopes for the future. Maybe Ross and Samardzija? If you can get Shark for a similar price to what Kazmir went for, you might be able to pick up Ross and a pen guy and still possibly be holding on to three of your top prospects.

Even though Hutchison has yet to meet his ceiling, you'd be extremely fortunate to even get Foley to where Hutch already is.

Yeah I think Hutch is close in value to what Lawrie was at the time of the Donaldson trade. Boyd and Castro are probably more valuable than Graveman and Nolin were (I don't think the difference is substantial) and while I liken Alford to Barreto in that they were both very athletic, very high upside guys on the cusp of breaking out, I recognize that Alford's nearer proximity to the majors and more advanced skillset probably puts him at a cut above. All in all, I think this package has more present value than what the Donaldson package did, and I don't think Carrasco is in the same league as Donaldson, but I do put a premium on Carrasco's brilliant extension (5 additional years, far below market value) and the Jays need for starting pitching. On paper, I would make this deal very easily. In the real world, I'd probably pussy out and balk at the idea of giving up Alford (which is why I'd make a terrible GM).

I was actually working on a discussion thread about Carrasco as you posted this. I really like Carrasco, but if the Jays could grab Ross for a significantly lower price, that's exactly the way I would go. In terms of rentals, my list would probably be Shark > Price > Cueto. I don't think the difference in cost between Samardzija and the other two elite guys would justify the much higher price tag. The guys over in the Jays reddit posed a similar question here, and my answer for top three pitching targets was Ross, Shark and Chapman.

With trade deadline season seemingly right about to pop, I thought it'd be a good time to try and spark some discussion and get people's opinions on what they think about certain players or trade possibilities. IYO stands for "In Your Opinion"; if it turns out that people aren't interested in this kind of thing, then this thread could be a one-off. If it does create some discussion, then maybe we can have somewhat of a series, where periodically we post a thread to gather opinions and to try and generate some general baseball discussion. I didn't research the Indians needs, I'm not sure if they'd say yes to this package, I'm not even sure Carrasco is really available on the market. There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to the package I put together, other than the simple fact that I tried to match the Donaldson trade as well as I could, and thought that I'd get your opinions on if you'd make a similar trade once again. Feel free to comment on how you think Carrasco's value compares to what Donaldson's was at the time he was traded, whether or not you think the Jays bought Donaldson below his market value and how you would compensate for that in a trade for Carrasco, and if you think there are prospects in the Jays system closer to the value of the guys the Jays gave up in that trade than what I listed above. Bonus question: If you answered no to the trade proposal above, would you say yes if it was for Chris Archer instead?

"In the 8th hour, the hypnotism had settled in so deep, that Jordan began to hallucinate. http://i.imgur.com/r2Zfpdu.gif Terrified of the consequences of letting it continue any further, he crumbled, and he was left with no choice but to re-sign."

I don't know what the hell the Cards broadcast people are thinking, but for some reason they feel it's a good idea to conduct on-air interviews with old people who are f***ing hammered. https://vid.me/yrYT