TwistedLogic

It's ironic that you make that post, because I'm one of the few people on this forum that doesn't religiously subscribe to one school of thought or another. Just because I can appreciate and respect advanced statistics doesn't mean I have an obsession with them. I often get into disagreements with people here who do put all of their stock in statistics, because I don't believe stats always tell the entire story. I understand that stats have limitations, that psychology plays a big role in baseball, and that the best way to look at the game is to understand and respect all sides of it, whether it be statistics, scouting or whatever intangibles we can't currently put a number on. That being said, you accuse me and many others here of looking only at statistics, when you very much hold the exact same blind and rigid thought process, except on the opposing extreme. Your exact words were "I hope the Blue Jays management can believe their own eyes instead of relying on an overwhelming array of stats." So while you mock the people that discredit the "eye test" and look only at stats, you choose to throw away statistics entirely, and rely solely on what your eyes tell you. You say that your alleged usage of statistical methods in the past allows you to understand the limitations of stats, but at the same time, you don't understand the limitations of simply basing your opinions on what your eyes tell you? That's a pretty hilarious seat to sit in, considering your superiority complex against people who have an opposing view of baseball evaluation than you. You look down on younger people and their willingness to learn and seek higher knowledge, and maybe that's because it clashes with your old-timey tendencies of always doing things the same way, but just like everything else in the world, the way we evaluate baseball has evolved, and it's time you and your people accepted that. The 20-30 years of experience that you have on me has only served to make you jaded, blinded and closed-minded. You might think that there are people in baseball that feel the same way that you do, and in essence unfortunately you are right, but the people in baseball that are dumb enough to believe that their eyes tell them all they need to know are quickly and deservedly reaching their expiry dates.

Selective reading? Your original proposal was to trade for Parra and Cotts, and to take on Lohse's salary as part of the deal. You edited the second part out half an hour after you made your post. Why do you keep saying that they would cost nothing to acquire? Do you honestly believe that teams sit around waiting to throw away their major league assets to the first team that calls them offering them garbage?

Mark Hulet (or an impostor of Marc Hulet, I couldn't tell) wrote a piece on Blue Bird Banter about the Jays going all in for 2015 and 2016. He thinks the time is now, and that the Jays should trade Norris, Hoffman, Castro, Foley, Tirado, Labourt, Boyd, Pompey, Alford, Urena and Tellez. They should also trade Hutchison to a team that thinks he's an "intriguing project". Among trade targets they should pursue with those chips, he listed Latos and Leake, and he listed Cishek because he thinks the Jays wouldn't be able to afford Chapman. http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/7/19/9001481/blue-jays-should-double-down-bet-the-farm Might be a contender to go up against Wilner as one of the worst Jays-related "articles" I've ever read.

Who cares what hand he bats with if he's a much better bat? And Parra has been terrible on defense this year. Both guys suck and would not be ideal options for a contending ball club, which is why they should probably bench Colabello and call up Pompey. You say "for what it would cost to get Cotts and Parra" as if taking on Lohse's salary is nothing. If it's true that the Jays have between 5-7M available payroll space, Lohse would waste the entirety of that, and prevent them from acquiring another starter.

What the hell would this team do with Gerardo Parra? They already have Gerardo Parra. His name is Chris Colabello. Instead of throwing away potential assets and wasting all of the remaining cap space on junk and deadweight like Parra and Lohse, just to get a struggling Cotts, maybe they should trade for a real person.

Apparently Price and Cespedes could be on the market. If the Jays really wanted to burn down the house, throw away their future and go all in for 2015, they could always go that route.

If they got offered a package like that they might. He's probably going to opt-out of his deal at the end of the year, and I don't see Friedman and Zaidi as the kind of guys that will hand out a premium long-term extension to a 32 year old pitcher. They could trade away Greinke for a king's ransom and then easily pursue Hamels, who's on a much better deal right now than what Greinke will sign for. The Dodgers are one of the few teams that can absorb the entire Hamels contract and pay less to acquire him. RoS, the dropoff from Greinke to Hamels is probably negligible, but they'd get future insurance on the Hamels contract, and make a small fortune in prospects.

I gotta be honest, I truly believed you were being satirical when you wrote the words "I hope they can believe their own eyes over an overwhelming array of stats". I don't see how that isn't satire, you're basically writing a comic about yourself. "We should discard all this overwhelming scientific research and evidence that this procedure is terrifying and immoral and it just doesn't work. Lobotomies are love. Lobotomies are life."

Not that I disagree with you, but Estrada has been better than a "good #5" in the past (his 2012 was brilliant), which probably means that there's a higher chance (than someone like Villaneuva) that he can become that again. Regardless of how we feel about him, he's been the Jays third best starter, and unless/until he suddenly crashes down to embrace his xFIP, they need to continue milking whatever they can get out of him. It's Dickey that needs to f***ing go away. God, I hate that guy. Ah I get it, this is a satire account.

"Colon Leake" is all you need to know about that last list. Didn't people say that about Chris Sale? Acquiring Gomez would be like acquiring Donaldson. There's a good chance that there is no better player available on the market, and there's a chance that you won't have to pay them nearly what he's worth. If the Jays can pick up Gomez for a justifiable rate, they should do everything they can to make it happen. Picking up Fiers with him would also be a very solid move, considering that he's probably undervalued by the market for his age and general obscurity.

I think they can put anyone they want on first and second to start the inning off, and they can even begin the batting order from any spot in the lineup. Whoever scores the most runs in that inning wins. The fact that they can put literally whoever they want in the batter's box in that situation, and Ernie Whitt lead the inning off with a guy who got three straight strikes on botched bunt attempts tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of this match. Oh well, a gold is a gold is a gold.

Doubront, until they get someone in a trade.

Considering AA's recent and repetitive comments that Sanchez was still being brought back as a starter, it might be safe to assume that they feel they're close to acquiring a starter.

Well you do now, old buddy!

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And absolutely none of that will mean anything 6 years down the road, when Archer's options come into effect.

Please don't get on the eDetectives bandwagon. Half this forum is already on it.

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The hell are you talking about? Players don't finish their contracts with the Rays because the Rays can no longer afford them. There's no affordability issue on a 44/8 contract.

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He signed an 8 year, 43.75M extension in April of last year. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10714285/chris-archer-tampa-bay-rays-agree-six-year-extension

Was this posted here yesterday? What a dude.

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