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At first I wasn't sure if I liked you. But now I think you're alright NJH.

He'd be great as your no. 6 backup starter & depth in Buffalo a'la Wolfe/Doubront. Doubt he wants that however given his personality.

Its actually interesting, would Price provide more value than B or E heading forward to justify picking him over them? I mean his finals year will suck but he should still be elite for another year or two and serviceability for maybe 3 years after. Not sure what his projections over 5 years would be but imagine a lot better than B or E. Either way, I agree with you. I'd rather not spend 10-15% of the payroll on 1 player thanks. We are already doing it with Tulo & Martin heading forward and potentially one of B & E heading forward (kinda hope both are traded). No thnx!

You'd throw $20M a year over 3 years for Iwakuma? Maybe its me, but that seems redonk.

Not sure if this team makes the playoffs without Price's starts honestly. It would have been nice to have BZ not to face him, but not as confident that we'd make the playoffs w/ him instead of Price. I am sure Detroit knew about Norris' cancer news and why they were able to get him and Boyd on top for a rental. Sure that bummed down his value a LOT to teams.

Put in Colabello. Have you paid no attention to the season? Fair enough. I see your point. I don't think its very piratical with Gibby and that can be a development issue with the Jays. I can honestly see him putting Bello in the OF instead of Pompey.. Thanked because I laughed, cried and agreed. I hope you know that what a player's exception on where he wants to play and where he will play are two different things. Revere could buy himself half of Toronto and the Jays shouldn't GAF. wRC+? The hell.. What is this team in the pat 15 years in terms of batting average? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!

No, chut up! Don't ruin my dreams.

1. What makes you say that? 2. How does he "prove" more without the opportunity?

Don't get me wrong, I fully hate him and KC. Look forward to Bautista continuing to smoke his ass. However this reaction shouldn't surprise people.

I meant more at a pitch thrown. There is always chirping.

Well the Royals beat us. What did you expect? I have no issues with this. I am actually surprised nothing happen during the game.

Regardless of Gibby status the team should do this.

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Go back and read my first post again bud. No edits. If I did you'd see the notice on it that it was. Yes, let's trade away a player who has consistently put up 6+ war seasons. Because that situation is oh so similar to selling a backup MIF (whom I mentioned two replacements) that posted 1.5 war and the player that he replaced put up 2.2. Yes. Very similar concepts.

How about history? Before this, each of the past 3 seasons and 4 out of the past 5 he has had better defensive years than Goins. We are splitting hairs on backup MIF. If the Jays can sign one of Penny/Barney, I expect Goins to be traded. If they don't, I don't expect Goins to be traded. I am not advocating it, just setting my expectations accordingly between players who shouldn't be the main position players on a roster and selling high on a guy. ''

I had said "if the Jays sign Penny/Barney" If you are in that camp that thinks he's a acceptable backup MIF, those two should fallow in that category. I just like to sell high. Barely. Going off defensive projections alone, they all provide near the same defensive value. If you feel that Goins can hit more than them, sure he can provide more, but defensively you're not going to squeak out more value from one than the other in that list.

From the list of SP available, whom interest you guys the most?

Maybe Brett Cecil. I am sure he'll vid for another closer's job next year should Osuna be in the rotation. If he can surge he could try and bank on a bigger payday. Jays wouldn't say no to that me thinks. Don't think that means anything.

There are two camps with Goins. One camp that believes he can be something and another camp that doesn't. I am in the camp that doesn't, however I also admit I never saw a 1.5 WAR season from him either. I think he can provide value to a team looking for a 2B/SS stopgap/solution. Selling him at the height of his value is ideal otherwise we'll have another situation of Cliff Pennington, a 2B that provided value but was ultimately a backup. The biggest strength Goins brings is his defense. Goins has always rated positively but so has Pennington. You may miss a few DRS here and there but overall you are getting a positive rated Def player at 2B/SS. Previous to this year, Pennington actually ranked ahead of Goins in terms of Def. In regards to offense neither are league average hitters. You aren't buying them for their bat and counting on them to provide offense is silly. However with this lineup, if Travis goes down or anyone needs a rest, their bat shouldn't be the reason this team wins or looses a game. Overall I just see the same Goins-value like player you'd get out of Barney and Pennington. Unless you feel differently? Would love to hear why people would be pro-Goins aside from Gruber and LTBF. Why another team would want to take Goins after what I've said is if they are in the camp that thinks he can provide something. I am sure his "breakout" year has many curious and if we didn't have Travis then I wouldn't advocate trading him. But the Jays do have a 2B that is better.

What? Also add to that admin, if this team still had Gomes. I am very excited to see what this offseason brings for sure.

I would also bring Dickey back, unless the team felt 100% confident that $13M could go towards Shark or Zimmer. He is good enough for 200 IP and this team can provide enough offense to win behind him. That being said, this team should have more SP depth next season where he should not be in the post season roster. His Royals game shell shocked my expectations.

Likely and resign back a'la. Neither have much value and if you can get them around league minimum, then they could potentially be something (more so Saunders than Thole..) if not, no love lost.

I would be disappointed if Revere is not traded. Likely/hopefully for a Pen arm. If the Jays can sign Barney or Penny then would also expect Goins to be traded. I think this team has assets to make moves to fill holes in potentially SP and RP.

Cheers Guys! Great season. Go Mets!

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