Dick_Pole

We all know the real reason why you want Alford off this team. I'm sure you gave Travis Snider a much longer leash.

Are we having the same conversation? The reason you give for age mattering has absolutely nothing to do with your argument. If anything, it supports mine. The Jays signed coveted players, and the signing of those coveted players helped pack the dome and improve the winning culture. Let me know when you start to argue FOR the idea that Toronto is not able to sign top MLB free agents and have success. I never said anything bad about Saskatchewan. Just that people from there won't have a clue what Toronto is like. It's your own lack of confidence that is causing you to interpret what I said about Saskatchewan negatively. I have never been there but based on what I know, it been the most consistent economic and political performer for Canada ever since the people there smartened up and voted in Brad Wall. So it's probably an alright place to live. I'm not going to stick my neck out and say what free agents the Jays will sign because that's pointless and stupid and will likely be wrong given that any random team has only a 3.3% chance of signing any random free agent. If I want to bet on something, I'll do it through my bookie and make actual cash, not score internet points or whatever in the off-chance my guess at a free agent signing happens to be right.

Yanks -170 on the road against what is now a good offense. Plus the 10.5 over should be covered which is the larger bet of mine. Now watch these shits lose something like 3-0 argh.

I used to bet with The Greek. Not the widest variety of bets available but good enough and I loved loved their site format especially for live betting. They closed up shop and transferred my account to some s***** site named BetCris. I'm not a degenerate enough gambler to bother switching and I've just really reduced my frequency of bets. But tonight I have a good feeling with the Jays and the over (10.5 runs).

What does bringing up age have anything to do with my point, when we are talking about a time before computers and age-curves and before anyone played clean? At that time all of those players were highly coveted and the Jays went out and got them. You didn't. I wasn't referring to you in that part of the post. There were others who brought that border crossing issues up. Yes, I am.

I actually put some money on this game tonight. Go Jays!

Dave Winfield, Paul Molitor, Jack Morris, Dave Stewart, Roger Clemens and probably a few other guys I'm forgetting. You could fill out an all-star team with who the Jays recruited as free agents in the early to mid-90's with a competitive team, an adept GM in Gillick and a still somewhat sober cheerleader/ambassador in Beeston. They haven't done that lately because...Ricciardi, Godfrey, Ash and drunk Beeston. So f*** off with your loser self-hating Canadian mentality. Especially you Saskatchewan people who are utterly disconnected from Toronto. As far as frequent travel, come on man, these are ballplayers flying charter. Do you really think carrying the extra passport is that much of a burden? Toronto is pretty conveniently located in between all the major baseball cities too. Can't be that much worse travel wise than Minnesota, Seattle or Tampa. Taxes/uprooting family, yeah I can see how that might be an issue. Especially for redneck type of players. But there has to be at least a few players, especially black or latino ones that look at Trump and the general political climate there and look at our situation up here and see a benign pretty boy (yes Trudeau sucks, but they don't know that), health care, not a mass shooting every two days that their kids have to wear bulletproof vests to their snobby private school and say "hey, maybe Canada is not so bad". It's two sides to every story, not just "awww wah wah wah Canada is a cold, s*****, tax-filled nation".

No. If the goal is to reduce rookie workloads, then this is exactly how it should be done. I'm fine with this.

Using 1981 for anything as the main part of your argument is not a strong argument.

Based on my statements made ITT do you really expect me to say anything other than "yes, if they were real men"? Pitchers used to have pitch counts like that all the time in important games. Including Nolan Ryan who threw as hard as anybody today so the soft tosser argument is moot. Aaron Sanchez is not an "asset" you have to protect.

It's f***ing Aaron Sanchez. The worst starting pitcher in baseball until about a week ago and they gave up one-third of their backup OF for him. A team like Houston does not need to have him pitch one more inning to be a strong contender for the World Series. Let the poor bastard have a chance at his career defining moment, blister risk be damned.

Also LOL that a pitcher can't even be left in in a blowout game for a no-hitter against Seattle. f***ing dorks in suits leading baseball and their no-third-time-through-the-order rule for dogshit pitchers. Who cares about the blister risk, this was going to be the highlight of Sanchez's life. Guys like Eck, Nolan Ryan, Cito Gaston, Greg Zaun, Goose, Dave Stewart, Ruben Amaro and all the other great men I grew up watching playing baseball need to rise up and take this game back from the Bill James zombies. They also need to ban Tampa from ever having a team, stick the franchise in a place that can support a $150 million payroll and collect every single Rays front office personnel and stick them into a rocketship headed towards the sun. Because every s***** idea that dorks love to get a 0.0001% advantage in baseball is slowly eroding it. Like the idea of an opener. Blech!

There is a 0% chance that beta male, soy boy, Principal Skinner-acting, mama's boy has or ever will swear in his life. I have to step up my insults as therapy to the early and very predictable result of this trade.

Gillick is the man. Set the team up for more than a decade of success, left before the s*** hit the fan. Same with AA to a much lesser extent.

a. That's been my entire posting career on here. b. And someone had to do it.

I look forward to all the other beta males coming to defend him.

Somebody had to do it. While otherwise a decent baseball talent evaluation nerd, Atkins' beta male-ness has cost this team dearly in multiple ways. I'll start with a few examples: Lets Vlad Jr. gain 50 pounds Gets cucked out by Stroman in public and in the dressing room, rushes to trade him, does not get max return. Gets cucked out by Boras, lets Sanchez stink it up in the rotation, trades him at a low point in his career. Lets Montoyo make stupid decisions like overworking Giles, he gets injured and can't be traded. Josh Donaldson. Just....the whole thing. Under Gibbons and fat AA, none of this s*** would fly. Ted Lilly gets a black eye.

The trade in itself is not THAT bad. It's the Jays handling of Sanchez to this point to lead to this. Beta male Atkins can't stand up to alpha Boras and lets Sanchez stink it up in the rotation instead of maxing out his value in the pen. Biagini is not worthless, he's put up good K numbers in the pen and now that the Astros have him, we can see if he's actually better than Stroman now. Both teams have a chance to be a winner with this trade giving players that were going nowhere in their current orgs new life, but I like Houston's upside a lot more than the Jays' upside.

The last time the Jays cleaned house like this was 1998. Then they went on that massive run in August/September. Hope this happens again with all the new blood!

I absolutely do not understand this thought process. A good return on the Stroman trade nets you more than whatever you get on those low value guys. If you like those two pitchers coming from the Mets, then add another couple of players to them. It's like you lost $1,000 on poker and won $300 on blackjack at a casino and you rank that meh 5/10.

This trade deadline feels like the result of a beta male desperately trying to take charge. Every player with any tenure except Smoak was ousted. No rhyme or reason to it either. That Fisher trade is a real head scratcher. The correct move was to punt Sanchez to the bullpen and see if he could stick there. The returns were underwhelming.

Just trying to remind everyone that his opinion on baseball matters is important while everyone else's isn't.

Keith Law gets a Hall of Fame ballot and you do not.

Without that lineup construction (or Alomar batting 6th), Olerud strikes out against Williams, Phillies come back to win game 7 and there is one banner instead of two. Enough of looking back at stats that didn't exist at the time. Joe Carter was never a bad choice for the third spot even if there were better candidates in a loaded lineup.

Definitely an adjective I like seeing when confidently talking about a prospect.