Dick_Pole

I hope Davis realizes the pattern. His stats were good in his last year in Oakland because they learned how to properly use him. In Toronto he stunk it up for 2 years mainly because he was used inappropriately. Now that he's being used correctly his stats look good. He could get a starting job with another team but then he will stink and be hated again. If he realizes he is best as a role player, I think he stays here. That doesn't exclude him from getting traded and then resigning here in the off-season. The best trade value is packaging him and a reliever or two for a better prospect/young player a la Rasmus or Jose Cruz.

Mike Timlin and Paul Spoljaric for Jose Cruz Would be nice to see something like this happen again.

lol people and their small sample size arguments....by the time he gets a large enough sample size he'll be retired. I'd hate to see what the SSS people say while they follow the NFL. How many more games do we need to see to tell that his trick pitch gives up a lot of gopher balls in the Rogers Center.

Sports fans and MENSA members don't exactly go hand-in-hand so I'm not sure what exactly you're looking to get out of being born in another city. The only difference between Toronto and other cities is that you're exposed to Toronto on a daily basis. I've been to several different parks in the US and the one common bond between them and Toronto appears to be a lot of guys who just want to go drinking with their buddies at the game and a lot of families who want to take their kids somewhere fun and exciting but aren't sports experts.

It'll be funny if s*** hits the fan again in Boston after the all star break, like it has done the last couple of years.

lol @ 17 yo child...wait a few more weeks and it's ok to shoot the "man" @ 18!

I agree to that statement. And D'arnaud is technically not homegrown for the Jays anyways. He did progress well here...as well as sustain injuries.

The only realistic way to get Headley is if AA does some similar magic he pulled to get Rasmus. Trading spare parts with some value to a contending team to get assets that SD would like.

Despite how disturbing and cringe-worthy that looks - the man's pitched 41 IP as a reliever this year without missing a beat - not exactly a low amount of work for an RP.

He's got three plus pitches that miss a lot of bats. If he controlled his walk rate a little better I think the sky is the limit as to what he could do as a starter. The key would be his endurance. He was mostly a starter in his younger years but since he resurrected his career he's only been a short man in the pen. I wonder if his training would enable him to be stretced out.

I'd put focus on the development part of that. Bad drafting is such a bs excuse. You get several dozen picks every year and have sources out there that rank the top prospects similarly. Not all your draft picks can consistently suck year after year. It's how you develop them after you sign them that determines if they suck or not. Poach some player development guys from TB or the Cards or some other team with success in developing their players and be done with it. Look how much positive effect acquiring Delabar and inheriting his program has had already on the team and he's not even a coach.

But that's why he's spouting his lame quotes. To keep the masses interested. I'm convinced if there was no NHL lockout the Jays wouldn't have done what they did this past off-season. From a business standpoint it made a ton of sense, whether or not the team was ready from an on-field product perspective. Now he's got to keep the iron hot and the money flowing out of Rogers pockets and back into their pockets through the team's revenues in any way necessary.

So much hate for Beeston. It's not like he's a scout or a manager. That man has exactly one role in life. To create enough buzz around this team in order to convince Rogers that spending lots of money on baseball players is a good idea. On the field it hasn't worked out, but off the field with ticket sales and increased payroll, has worked out. I think he couldn't care less about what the few dozen posters on here think about him but he has to appease the several hundred thousand or so potential casual baseball fans who might see a game every once in a while or watch on TV. So it's smart for him to say things like this. If he can convince Rogers to dump more money into the team, he's done his job. If that money allows the team to keep the best players on the current roster plus get some players like Garza or McCann, while dumping the dysfunctional ones, then he's done a great job. The Beeston/AA method is not going to be developing a good team through payroll efficiency, which is what many people who post here love over anything else. I'm not a Rogers shareholder, so I could care less if the Jays only make the playoffs by having a top 5 payroll. As long a they make the playoffs. I guess instead of bashing Beeston, I have high expectations for this off-season if this team does miss the playoffs. If the leadership team fails to address the most glaring issues with this team in the off-season, then yeah time to start calling him out. Him and AA were just too busy giving each other high fives last off-season to see potential holes with them team. Can't totally blame them though, Vegas lines were picking the Blue Jays as a top 3 favourite to win the World Series.

There's probably thousands of organizations worldwide which are saying to themselves, "if we had only secured this bid or that bid for x contract, we'd be much better off". Anyone who has bid on eBay knows you don't win all the time. How much more so when you're bidding a high 8-digit figure just for the rights to negotiate with a baseball player. It's absurd to blame the Jays for not winning the bid or look at it as some huge missed opportunity. 28 other teams also did not win.

Better prospects = guys they will have to pay a lot of money through arbitration a couple of years down the road. It's much better for their strategy to have 25 scrubs just happy to be in the MLB.

To be fair, even if he gave up one run today he still would have lost to Cy Young candidate Mike Pelfrey.

The one saving grace this team may have is a big offensive outburst due for Bautista in the coming weeks. Whether it's at home or in Minny the man just pummels this team mercilessly no matter who is pitching. Bautista's career OPS is the highest by far against the Twins and has now 19 HR in 34 games against them for his career. But what's really odd about it is that he seems to find his swing for the weeks thereafter against every opponent once a Minny series is done. Last year his OPS was .662 going into the Twins series on May 10th, two weeks later it was over .800. In 2011 he started the year against the Twins and never looked back until after the all-star break (no games against the Twins in the second half). In 2010 on May 16th going into the Twins series he had a "mere" .879 OPS. Two weeks later it's over 1.000. And in 2009 the Twins series that changed his whole life started Sept 7 when his OPS was .662 and he ends the season with a .757 OPS and 10 HR in a month.

For them to be somewhat serious contenders, they'll need to win at least 14 of the next 21 games for the month. They play Minny twice more and Houston 4 times, so assume 5-1 in those games. That leaves 9-6 in the rest of the games, and they have 9 road games versus Cleveland, Baltimore and Oakland. So it's not likely. The problem with this team in addition to all the most glaring issues is that they are absolute horseshit on the road outside of the Texas series. Maybe I need to leave the country again because I was gone with no access to the net for a week right in the middle of the win streak. Boy was I shocked when I returned when I saw their W-L record. I caught the Baltimore series then they have played like crap again so I know only one version of this team.

He's not going back to rot in the Yankees system?

For some reason I misread that as "There's a whole lot of cum on this team." at first. I must have been too use to reading your posts in the 37 page thread.

We'll also have to take into account that whatever team he lands on, he'll get some good coaching for a few months and maybe learn something that forever makes him a better player. Then if he's a FA AA can swoop in and resign him. If not, then message board posters everywhere can forever lament his good play for another team along with Aaron Hill.

If you're gonna act like a whiny old fart then yeah, you're not going to find anybody. But if you act all young and exciting, chicks don't care about age that much. They have this stupid mythical thinking in their head that older guys are somehow more "mature" which is what they like when in reality I'm pretty much the same jackoff I was 5-10 years ago and so is almost every guy I know. I'm 32 and my last gf was 22 and I regularly date women 25 and under. My buddy is even more extreme, he's 4 years older than me. If it doesn't work out with his current gf (who is 34) he has this plan to date and immediately knock up and marry this other girl that has apparently had a crush on him the longest time. He's had this plan for a couple of years but had to wait until she, ahem, became "of age" before doing anything with her. He's 36, she's 19. Of course we're all European immigrants/first generation Canadians so maybe the culture is a little different. I look young too which also helps. Crying about being old is such a Canadian thing to do. The few "true" Canadians I know in their 30's or older do that ALL the time. Listening to stupid garbage like "divide by two and add 7", getting all fat and old by sitting around and drinking beer to wash your sorrows away and crying on internet message boards aren't gonna help. Going to play beach volleyball or some other young and fun summer activity will help you find someone young and fertile. The only people who are going judge you if you find someone who is 22 or something are 30 year old women because they are jealous over the younger woman. If you think you are desperate to have kids, they are 10x more desperate with an expiry date lol. That term daddy issues is so ridiculously retarded. Unless she grew up watching Jerry Springer or Maury Povich and thinks teen pregnancies are the norm in society, no chick who dates a guy only 10-15 years older than her thinks of the guy as a "daddy".

I think he's putting pressure on himself to not suck because he sees how badly half of his teammates suck so in trying to pick up their slack he's actually doing worse than before. The drop in walks is telling - his swing has gotten too aggressive.

Yes. Then when the team that trades for him doesn't pick up his options the Jays can always resign him for a cheaper cost, if they so choose.

I think that only counts as a violation when you expect both of them to be in your starting 5. If you have Marcum in the pen as a stand-by that significantly reduces the chance he gets injured then when Morrow goes down you hope he stays healthy long enough to fill-in effectively. Unless you're Laffey level of suck, you'll be hard pressed to accept being the #7 guy if you have a history of performing decently and relatively injury-free as a #5 starter for most of your life. Unless AA cut ties with Romero early in the spring, the average MLB starter would see: Dickey Johnson Buehlre Morrow Romero Happ ahead of him on the depth chart and would admittedly feel doubtful about his chances of getting regular starts. That leaves guys who are good but injury prone like Marcum or also-rans like Laffey who are just looking for an MLB contract as your most realistic choices and I think most would prefer Marcum.