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Agreed but who do they have options on ? Obviously we keep those guys as we can send them to AAA as depth.

If You let Romero Go then youhave to pay him and he is free to go to any team . Trust me , He won't be coming back to the Jays if released .

That page has salary options but doesn't have player options . What relievers can be optioned to AAA next year without passing waivers is what I,m looking for

Can anyone tell me who has options left on this list . Obviously our best trading chips would be a package of a couple of good relievers under cost control . These guys don't have options . RHP Todd Redmond, RHP Esmil Rogers, RHP Dustin McGowan, RHP Jeremy Jeffress, RHP Neil Wagner, LHP Luis Perez, Casey Janssen , Brett Cecil , R Romero I,m Assuming Loup , Jenkins , Happ , Drabek , Storey , and Carreno have options . Not sure on Delabar , Santos , and Lincoln . I was surprised on Wagner . Anyone help me out . Would like to know who you would trade .

Reyes , Lawrie and a poor AAA lineup and we win . Not sure on how the draft turns out quality wise between 8 and 12 and I doubt we go for any FA,s that cost us a pick but the $$$ amt we can spend in the draft and internationally does matter .

Not looking good with that win last nite for getting a top 10 pick . We really need to lose the next two games

I have been saying this for a couple of years now . We need to rob the Cards ORG, and the Rays of their farm development people . Many on this board agree with that . AA is too loyal to his farm development personal

One good thing , With this bad AAA lineup we should be able to lose all three and get a good pick .

Boras says 100 mil but thoughts are 5 years 15 mil

Don't hold your breath . We have little to trade and Free Agents won't come . Best we can hope for is they don't change the posting rules and AA wins the Tanaka sweepstakes . He is no ace but neither is garza

As far as trade pieces go we really only have BP guys so unless AA goes out and does sign free agents this offseason then we certainly aren't getting a top starter . Truth be told I doubt there is any top starters on the market anyway other than Price and we can forget about him TB doesn't trade him to any div rival. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I still go back to being too cheap on Darvish . I wanted him badly. Now Tanaka isn't YU but if they don't change the posting rules in time We do have a shot at him . If the posting system changes then I doubt he signs here . Even if a rebuild is necessary He would fit in . I suspect Az would salary dump a McCarthy or Cahill for something we can afford to give up but now you just have a bunch of 3/4 and 5 starters so are we really Improving ?

I've pretty much given up on attracting top end FA,s Stache which is why i coveted Darvish so much . Even Tanaka if the posting rules change will have his choice and most just don't want to play in canada in the AL east on artificial turf . Now Cubans might be the exception . Canadians are loved in Cuba and travel isn't restricted so AA should be pursueing that route . The Jays also need to look long and hard at our farm Development system . . Go rob the Cards system and the Rays systems . Our Outfield prospects come to the majors with a huge lack of fundimentals . It is actually embarrasing to watch

Yes less talent in the league but 7 of the top16 with Matt Dean just missing the top 20 and Barreto rated very good but not there long enough to Qualify is darn good . Problem is this level is where most of the talent is and as the levels go up we just won't have much in the league top 20,s . Most levels will have 0 jays in the top twenty .

If this team is not in first ( Unlikely ) at the trade deadline then it is gut job time .Total rebuild . Trade EE , Bautista , Dickey, Reyes , Buehrle and load up on MLB close top end guys . The rest of what is left is cheap enough that Rogers can still make money and that is all they care about . Pull a Marlins/Houston and be competetive in 3 years

To evaluate the cost of a Sale or Price you need to look at what Latos cost . Ramus+ Stroman isn't getting it done IMO . AA states a starter is # 1 priority but I disagree A Ruiz ?McCann is #1 . Now Obviously McCann would be a huge addition , Probably the single most gain in war this team could make but I'm realistic , the odds of attracting him are very slim so I really want to get Ruiz . AA needs to overpay but after those two the drop off is a lot . Get one of them and then chase a starter but for f***s sake " DO not gut the minors again .

Every time Jenkins pitches it reminds me of all our failed first round picks .

Since Kev moved the Apply league s*** . Might as well delete it and he can post the GLC stuff . I,ll let the others post the rest of the leagues . Lots of guys with subscriptions

I messaged Juiced and told him to move it if he wants

Barreto chat Cachaza (Santo Domingo): What did evaluators have to say about Franklin Barreto? Clint Longenecker: Despite his youth and performance in a small sample, Barreto excited a lot of guys that saw the league. Guys that really liked him said he was up there with all the top Bluefield position players, which is high praise considering 3 of the top 5 guys in the league were on that team.

Some Apply league chat Mike (Virginia): D.J. Davis seems to have a good skill set, but what kind of potential or player comparison would you make for him? Clint Longenecker: Davis does have a loud and exciting skill set. Multiple evaluators said that Davis physically resembles Carl Crawford at the same age. He has first division regular potential as a center fielder that is able to impact the game in all phases. He could have above-average range in center with improved outfield reads, and will fit the profile of a new age center fielder that can hit with some power. John (British Columbia): I thought the Adonys Cardona ship had sailed ... Do you think he can right the ship and fulfill his potential? Clint Longenecker: John, that seems to be the case because we heard his name when he was 15. But he is still only 19 and a year younger than the average player in the league. He certainly could with the proper adjustments to his delivery. His placement on the list was more about the impact he could have if he does improve and less about the probability of him doing so. Cardona is less likely to reach his ceiling than many on this list but still has one of the best arms in the league. The quote from a pitching coach in the league is a great summation, "It might click tomorrow and he will be in the big leagues in three years, or he might not and he might be home in three years. A tough one, but the potential is there.”

Was this posted before ? did not know it had to be in a different forum

GCL Chat with Ben Badler . Some jays chat Ben (Toronto): How close were Hollon & Tellez to making your list for the Blue Jays? Seems like Hollon pitched very well in brief time - also looks like Tellez did well after a slow start. His stats look pretty solid from his last 100 AB's. Thanks. Ben Badler: Hollon was in and out of the league quickly, but Tellez was a close cut at the end. You can see the raw power in BP, the contact frequency is there and he has a good hitting approach for his age. He’s going to have to mash as a 1B-only prospect, but he could be a breakout guy next year. Roger (Washington, DC): Of Barreto, Rijo, Torrens, and Estrada, do you see all 4 making jump to full season ball next year and who do you see making the jump most successfully? Ben Badler: Barreto certainly should, Rijo is advanced enough to do so, but my bet is the Yankees take it slower with Torens and Estrada. They’re going to have a logjam in the middle of their infield next year in their Charleston roster decisions, so I could see Estrada spending a year in the NY-Penn League. And I like Torrens, but with him being so new to catching, only turn 18 next year and having just a so-so year in terms of performance in the GCL, I could see them keeping him back, at least at the start of the year.

Might as well do the GCL as only 1 Jays prospect made the list 5. Franklin Barreto, ss, Blue Jays Age: 17. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 5-9. Wt.: 174. Signed: Venezuela, 2012. Barreto is one of the most accomplished Venezuelan youth amateur players ever, having performed well at every international tournament he attended since he was 10 years old. That includes the 16U World Championship in 2011 in Mexico when he homered twice against Team USA. The No. 1 international prospect for July 2 last year, Barreto signed with Toronto for $1.45 million out of Ciro Barrios’ program, then led the GCL in slugging this summer in his pro debut, batting primarily out of the leadoff position. Barreto’s hands are quick to the ball with a compact swing. He’s an aggressive hitter within the strike zone with a knack for the barrel and surprising power for his size. He can drive the ball with authority to all fields with the pop to hit 15-20 homers per year. He didn’t walk a lot, but he recognizes pitches well for his age. He has a short, thick build, but he’s also an above-average runner. As international scouts expected, Barreto struggled with his footwork and actions at shortstop, committing 19 errors in 42 games. He has a strong arm, but his future likely is at second base or center field. He’s drawn some comparisons with Red Sox outfielder Shane Victorino. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG 174 30 52 16 6 4 19 13 42 10 4 .299 .368 .529

I.ll post some of the chat stuff later or others with a subscribtion can . Think Ace / Dinger and johnny havoc have a subcrip.

8. Alberto Tirado, rhp, Bluefield (Blue Jays) Age: 18. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-1. Wt.: 177. Signed: Dominican Republic, 2011. When everything clicked for Tirado this summer, he was one of the most electric arms in the short-season leagues. He has a thin, wiry build with natural strength and long arms, and he showed No. 2 starter potential. Tirado’s fastball touched 98 mph and sat at 92-94. He flashed two plus sliders: a hard, late-breaking 87-89 mph offering that he uses as a putaway pitch and a slower version in the mid-80s. His breaking stuff is ahead of his changeup, but all of his offspeed pitches lack consistency. He’s still learning his mechanics and the tempo of his delivery but improved as the summer went on. “The biggest thing with him is getting him to pitch and not overthrow,” an opposing coach said. “The arm is there. It’s just the delivery, because it’s a dynamite arm.” 12. Jairo Labourt, lhp, Bluefield (Blue Jays) Age: 19. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-4. Wt.: 204. Signed: Dominican Republic, 2011. Labourt has a big, strong build made to handle innings, and he fits a unique profile as a big Dominican lefthander. The last southpaw countryman as tall or taller than Labourt was 6-foot-5 Marlins reliever Frank Gracesqui in 2004. Labourt has significantly improved during his time in the system and entered the season in much better shape and with improved mechanics. He had a mid-80s fastball two years ago but now sits 90-93 mph and touches 95 with run and sink. He has advanced feel for a changeup with good arm-side fade, and it could be an above-average pitch. His slider is inconsistent, as he doesn’t always get on top of it and often throws it too hard. It flashes plus at its best with 1-to-7 tilt. Labourt’s fastball-changeup combo and potentially above-average command allow him to profile as a starter, as will a sound delivery that he repeats well. Still, some scouts think his short finish and body type would play better out of the pen. W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 2 2 1.92 12 8 0 52 39 16 11 2 14 45 .204 16. Adonys Cardona, rhp, Bluefield (Blue Jays) Age: 19. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-1. Wt.: 170. Signed: Venezuela, 2010. Cardona signed for a $2.8 million, the top bonus amount on the 2010 international market and a record for a Venezuelan amateur. He has not progressed as quickly as expected, however, producing mediocre results and battling a balky elbow that got him shut down early this season. Still, there’s lightning in his arm. Cardona has a strong, athletic build and sits 92-94 mph, hitting 98 at his best. He has advanced feel for an 80-83 mph changeup with tremendous tumble. He scrapped his curveball in favor of a mid-80s slider but has struggled to command it. “The sky is the limit for him if everything clicks. He could be a No. 1 starter,” a pitching coach said. “It might click tomorrow and he will be in the big leagues in three years, or he might not and he might be home in three years. A tough one, but the potential is there.” Cardona struggled to throw strikes, working from a near over-the-top arm slot that inhibits his ability to get extension. The Blue Jays are working on dropping him to a three-quarters arm slot. He’ll likely fit best in the bullpen. W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 0 2 6.75 8 5 1 25 35 20 19 1 13 27 .327