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  1. I'm not muddling the point. Though the thinking amongst front offices, management and stat geeks is that starters shouldn't be pushed going 7 or 8 innings/100 pitches and you're seeing that more and more around baseball. A lot of managers pull guys after only 70 or 80 pitches sometimes and don't allow their starters to work deeper into games. If you have an elite and deep bullpen then the strategy can work majority of the time, though when you have a mediocre bullpen, good luck over a full 162 game season. You will never see arms/workhorses like Verlander, Halladay, Oswalt, Wainwright, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling etc. coming up again. The days of starters pitching 220 or more innings is over. Even last season, only 7 starters in all of baseball threw more than 200 innings. Wouldn't surprise me to see that number lower moving forward.
  2. Mostly every pitcher is at more of a disadvantage third time through the order, versus first or second. Though that doesn't mean some of your top starters can't pitch a third time through the order. Again a lot depends on score, matchups, game situation, pitch count, # of stressful innings/pitches prior and most importantly the bullpen arms you have available. No reason why some of the Blue Jays top starters like Manoah, Gausman and Berrios can't pitch past the seventh inning on occasion when they have a good pitch count and aren't laboring. If they're cruising along, keep them in. If the score is 4-1 or 5-1 entering the 7th or 8th inning, and one of those starters is around 90 or so pitches, let them go out for the 7th or 8th and have guys in the BP warming up if need be. Again, depends on matchups at that time in the game.
  3. Burke and Puk since nobody has a lock on the closers role on both the Rangers and A's. Leclerc was activated off the IL and is making $5 million this season, so wouldn't shock me if the Rangers try him back in the 9th to build up his trade value. Plus if he rediscovers his old form before he was injured, he has two friendly team options for 2023 and 2024. Bautista I think could work his way to closing games in Baltimore as well. He's been very solid. Overall, can't go wrong with those three options. Both are providing solid ratios and you might get lucky with one or two of them getting consistent save chances.
  4. Not as often as 5 to 10 years ago. Maybe some old school guys like Verlander, who is still averaging more than 6 innings per outing. A lot of younger arms or arms in general aren't being pushed as much these days. Depends on pitch count obviously and how stressful their innings were. I'm not advocating for every manager to go all Dusty Baker, though having a starter throw around 100 pitches per outing now seems like a rarity these days. You need a strong bullpen in order to shorten games for starters. Blue Jays don't have an elite or strong bullpen, so having a starter only going 5 or 6 innings makes it a lot more difficult. You need to cover 3 to 4 innings of relief pretty much every game, unless you have a starter or two who pitches into the 7th or 8th inning during the week. Makes you more vulnerable if you have a weak bullpen and over the course of a long season, some guys might even run out of gas when August or September come around.
  5. I thought starters going 6 to 7 innings today wasn't the norm anymore because they throw at max effort? Starters that can go 7 or 8 innings majority of the time will help the overall bullpen. If a Blue Jays starter is under 100 pitches and is through 6 innings pitching well, they should be going out in the 7th.
  6. Also, lets revisit the term "Hall of Fame caliber player" in the context it was just used. Can we say for example someone like Tim Lincecum was a "Hall of Fame caliber player" developed in the Giants system? Lincecum was probably one of the most, if not most dominant pitchers in baseball during 2008 and 2009 winning the NL Cy Young in both of those years. As well, he did have some other quality seasons as well and helped the Giants win three championships. Though is he going to be a Hall of Famer? Likely not since he had a short career. Though if he stayed healthy and continued to pitch at a high level until his age 30 season and was at least a solid/consistent arm after his age 30 season producing seasons of 3-4 WAR, he likely would be a Hall of Famer.
  7. Devers is only 25 and Bogaerts has already posted a career 31.6 WAR at the age of 29. Even already this season Bogaerts has 3.3 WAR which is tied for 8th best in the MLB. Devers is second with a 4.0 WAR. As long as they stay healthy and continue to produce at an elite level into their thirties, I don't see why not. Unless they completely fall off a cliff at the age of 30 and start becoming dumpster fires, though I doubt it. Most American writers and Boston writers will definitely give them votes. Plus winning a couple of Championships won't hurt. Playing for a team like the Red Sox or the Yankees always has its benefits. Maybe they don't get in on the first ballot, though don't see why they wouldn't get in during any one of the remaining years they're eligible if they continue to play well into their mid-to-late thirties.
  8. If Devers and Bogaerts stay healthy and continue to produce at an elite level as they have, they definitely will make the Hall of Fame.
  9. jaysblue

    NBA Thread

    Don't blame OG at all.
  10. Jay always holds onto his price. I had to give in to get Liam Hendriks off of him in another league.
  11. Michael Brantley for Carlos Carrasco
  12. Good deal! I think a trade is very possible. Judge to the Blue Jays and he signs a 10-year extension worth $500 million to play in Toronto!
  13. Moreno, Pearson, Biggio + a 1st round pick for Aaron Judge
  14. jaysblue

    NHL Thread

    Kadri with the big goal!!!!
  15. During an offseason, you can target buy low RP options and hope they have a great ST and start to the season. Nothing wrong with that. Agree 100% with what you said about struggling relievers midseason. Down the stretch you need guys performing, not guys who are still figuring it out or complete dumpster fires (e.g. Brad Hand last season).
  16. Jays were way overhyped entering the season. Yes they were still good enough of paper to make the Postseason and still are. But this isn't a World Series team. Roster still had some holes, but they were dismissed by the FO and mainstream media and even some fans/posters on here. Didn't have a deep bench at all, mediocre bullpen that was patched together with no thought. Yes the lineup was amazing, and the rotation was upgraded with the addition of Kevin Gausman. Otherwise, they could have done more during the offseason or ST to address these potential issues that have occurred mid-season. Instead, the Jays will be looking to spend valuable assets on BP arms or bench options rather than going after a big bat or arm that could really be a difference maker this season and long term.
  17. If he gives the Red Sox a solid 15 starts this season down the stretch, he'll be a weapon for them.
  18. He's completely finished!
  19. Agree. Some of those guys could have turned into good bullpen arms possibly. Pearson I still have hope for if he's healthy. If the Jays could turn Anthony Kay into the next Brett Cecil over the next two seasons, would take that in a heart beat.
  20. I remember some posters counting on the Red Sox in April or during the offseason (Grant77 cough cough). They will be above .500 and contend for one of the WC spots. Don't kid yourself. They won't be a pushover.
  21. The Blue Jays built really solid bullpens under J.P. Ricciardi and AA. Did a great job at finding arms with high K% and did a great job with failed starters and turning them into reliable BP arms (e.g. Scott Downs, Brett Cecil, Casey Janssen, etc.)
  22. He was yes, but many pitchers have 1 or 2 seasons that are dumpster fires in their career and then turn it around. Not discrediting the work Pete Walker has done and I'm sure he definitely helped Ray right the ship to get back on track, though I don't think the Ray from 2016 and 2017 was all that different than the Ray we saw in 2021. Advanced stats show that. Pretty much the same pitcher IMO. Maybe just tighter pants haha.
  23. Ray was actually pretty solid with Arizona for a couple of years. He had seasons of 3.3 WAR in 2016 and 2017 which wasn't far off that from his 3.9 WAR season with Toronto. So not sure it was a huge remarkable career turnaround. He was always capable of putting together a season like that.
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