Laika

no don't be dum

I like Ortiz but the HOF talk around him is ridiculous

It's also just a stupid article. "Did my team reset the market?" is suck an apologetic way to look at a bad trade. It's funny

lol, wow. good catch he also conveniently ignores any value for Asuaje and Allen and assumes it is negligible. Also, doesn't consider Kimbrel's talent vs salary at all (how much Kimbrel projected to actually be "worth" now and last year). red sox fan boy

It's possible for someone to be top prospect and be s***** at the same time. That's kind of what player development is - closing the delta between present skills and tool based ceiling. I don't know how you can look at his minor league peripherals and say that they aren't s*****. He walked like 5.0/9 in the minors and his K rate was pretty crummy for a prospect that throws 97. It was poo.

Yeah but what do I know? His 2013 looks worse now because it was part of a downward trend. Fair or not, the optics are different. When you're looking at his minor league career in total, it's step one down to starting pitcher irrelevance. In context it was just 86 mediocre innings in Dunedin. In hindsight it was the beginning of the end.

He's yours for your worst prospect

Wow, why would anyone give Romo away for a 2nd round waiver?

I think in the free agent contest I said Pelfrey would get a 3 year deal from some team like Philly to eat innings. If it's a one year deal and sufficiently cheap, and the team has already bolstered the rotation above him, and there are not really any other options, then yeah, I could be fine with it. I'm high on Trevor Cahill as my long-man #6 candidate. I did a list of similar targets a few weeks ago: http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/5700-Free-Agent-Pitching?p=800869&highlight=Blanton#post800869

Then I'll make you see - More than 50% of his MiLB innings came in his last 2 seasons (2013 and 2014), which were both very bad and not promising. So for the majority of the time he sucked. - Scouting becomes less relevant as you climb the MiLB ladder; statistics become more relevant as you climb the MiLB ladder. In rookie ball you can almost throw the stats out the window and listen to the scouts; in full season ball and the upper minors statistics drive the projection bus. - Sanchez is adored by scouts but once the statistics began to paint a more accurate pitcher of who he actually is, it became apparent that he was and is bad at being a starting pitcher. When the statistics began to really matter, he really sucked. He was a s***** minor league starter, as far as prospects are considered, all things considered. I don't want to say any more on the topic because I don't hate Aaron Sanchez and I hate talking in absolutes with sincerity. Anybody in the game can develop into a good player. He could still figure out how to start baseball games - he has some of the tools - it's just not likely, specifically because he's never really been good at it as a pro.

Just betting on the person. Wily is fit and sober. Still 98% chance he doesn't make it into the 20, sadly.

Just to be clear about my own opinions, I think Mike Pelfrey is terrible. I don't think he should even really be considered by Toronto and I agree that the talent gap between him and SP Sanchez isn't very wide. So maybe you think they are both SP5 candidates and comparable. I agree that they are comparable at least.

mmmmmmmmm no I need to make room for Tommy Pham and Wily Peralta. My boys. Unfortunately I might have to cut Preston Tucker and Brandon Drury and Rubby De La Rosa. Sigh.

I'm not pretending anything. I liked him a lot until the walk rate didn't improve in the upper minors and the K rate plummeted. At the time of the Dickey trade, him and Syndergaard were hard to separate. When he didn't develop, my opinion shifted just like any rational person's would have and should have. The shine comes off of a prospect really fast when they reach A+/AA/AAA and their K/BB is that terrible.

Ben Revere is readily available for a draft pick that I can flip for Romo. CF eligible and probably scores 130 runs in Toronto...

huh?

s***** minor league starter relative to other prospects. Not necessarily s***** relative to all minor league starters.

- people were - optimism on him really started dipping in 2013/2014 when his K rate fell as he rose the ladder and his BB rate didn't improve - board opinions aren't directly relevant to the question of whether or not he was a s*** minor league starter. The stats are right there in the open. - someone can be a s***** starter and still be a decent prospect

Well he was and he was. So...

Well, Goins. Muni is just a racist self-deprecating mascot.

Were they rumoured in on Cliff? Why would Toronto want him?

I like how even in a cherry picked string of starts, Sanchez' FIP is still 4.67 and his ratios are still (barf) BB/9 and (blech) K/9. There's just absolutely, fully, completely, resolutely, objectively, certainly no way to look at Aaron Sanchez and see anything approach even a slightly below average MLB starting pitcher. You can still hope that it happens, but you'd be hoping for a major skill change. He was a s*** starter in the minors and an even shittier starter in the majors. His string of big league starts is some of the worst starting pitching Blue Jays fans have seen in the last decade. I struggle to think of many guys who would have made ~10 starts and been as terrible. Drabek would be up there, probably even worse than Sanchez. Aaron Laffey probably. Dana Eveland. Those are his peers..... Jo-Jo Reyes was probably better on paper.

Wonderful get for Seattle Dipoto, for only a reliever (if that's the gist of it).

He's almost one of the last guys that I would target. In a deep FA pitching market, why pay near Ace money for a #2? Iwakuma and Lacker are similarly talented and will cost much, much less overall. Samardzija is basically as good as Zimmerman and might cost a lot less as well. And price matters because ideally Toronto still needs two SP. Going into the season with Hutch as the #6 should be the goal.

Have I? I think when Donaldson was ahead of Trout I would have taken the position that Trout is still better. But looking at their seasons right now, how they ended up, everything seems basically true talent. Trout slightly more talented all things considered. Trout is an average CF and he hit to his talent almost exactly. Donaldson is a plus 3B who probably had a positive noisy offensive season that won't be repeated. Trout still edged him in WAR.