Laika

With DS and EC on the bench though, the Jays could just pull the old bait and switch. Get the LOOGY in then make him face two good RHB!

Yeah they f***ing suck. Not sure how they think it is good for the fandom to just lead them on that Cole might be back in May, and then do this

Cavan Biggio must be feeling the heat. Ernie Clement and Davis Schneider staring at his back. It's like trying to fend off Tony Gwynn and Jeff Kent all season.

Yeah Pop could at least fake it for a while as an MLB reliever Zulueta, he would be pretty much useless on an MLB roster

I think so but the Yankees and Cole were being pretty annoying as far as public statement went on the timeline. They were just saying he would be shut down from throwing for 4 weeks.

Well, yeah but the Varsho trade kind of had the worst possible first impression. Most of the time it doesn't work like that. Just with Moreno having a good 2nd half, the D-Backs playoff run, Varsho's "aesthetics" in 2023 as a pop out artist and .200 hitter, etc.

March 28 - Opening Day! Vladdy - 1 Point Bichette - 2 Points Turner - 2 Points Springer - 3 Points - Dylan, L54 Varsho - 3 Points - Spanky Kirk - 4 Points - robinthicc Biggio - 5 Points Kiner-Falefa - 7 Points - P2F Kiermaier - 7 Points - Laika The Bench (Any PH): 10 Points

Fans get over this s*** pretty quick They'd cry about Bo for a few weeks then start to crush on whatever 50 FV prospect(s) came back the other way

Yeah a Bichette trade might be more likely than a Ross Atkins canning, if 2024 is another wet fart October. One year of Corbin Burnes at $16M = DL Hall, Joey Ortiz, and pick #34. Bichette might have similar value. Gausman another big chip. Vlad, who knows. Smaller chips, Kirk and Varsho.

we share a hobby restoring PT cruisers

I have a direct line to Ross We shop at the same lube store

But that's just so.... f***ing.... dumb I understand that it's human nature to just hate losing and the Jays playoff track record makes them seem like losers, over the last few years, but everything that has happened in the playoffs still occurred within a meaningless little sample of zero statistical significance, over which Ross Atkins had basically zero influence. Shapiro would never even factor that into a firing decision. If Atkins gets fired it's pure scapegoat marketing, which I suppose teams do from time to time. Or it's a decision that is something like "being the 8th or 9th best GM in the sport simply is not good enough" which seems like a ridiculously high standard unless this is the 1995 to 2012 Yankees. Fans are funny. Jays from 1994 to 2014 never made the playoffs, never won 90 games, maybe sniffed the postseason once. Since 1994, the Jays have made the playoffs 5 times and won 89+ games 5 times. Three of each of those are under Shapiro and Atkins. Fire 'em though! How does nobody but me and my supporters see the obvious path to improvement from Atkins? Like, the organization's shortcomings over the last few years are not exactly secret. I don't get how Mr. Outside Hire is seen as a better bet to fix the problems than the competent incumbents. They hire good people, consistently make good transactions, consistently have good processes and move in the right directions. Let Ross cook.

There is nothing objective about subjective rankings. What does that even mean? Lol What do you think underrated means dude?

That's stupid though They won't make a decision on that That's like saying "if it's not sunny on September 10th he's fired"

we went there for the tournament saw every Canada game

Honestly might be a decent justification to having Bo behind Vlad and not in front of him

Farm system is underrated, I've been saying it all offseason. It's not amazing or anything but they do have: --> position player depth, of the MLB ready variety --> relievers with some upside, of the MLB ready variety --> improved SP depth through AAA/AA than last year --> some exciting high upside prospects like Nimmala, Bonilla, Tiedemann, and a few others

#9 seems fine for Atkins but this list is absurd otherwise

Yes probably One will be held back to throw 40+ pitches after Gausman The other will be ready to replace Francis or maybe even Kikuchi, if they cannot give the team any innings on their first turn

It almost becomes archeological when you go back to some of these guys. Smaller league, smaller equipment, different styles... how much do you correct a goalie's stats because they played for some dominant dynasty their entire career, like Dryden and Bower... In my head, it basically was not even the same sport until after the league started expanding. So, the Maple Leafs have never won the league. In my head. They won some like, winter field hockey trophies decades ago in the proto-NHL.

The fancy stats probably agree. But, the fancy stats also give Patrick Roy a huge boost. Upon further investigation Hasek and Roy are pretty close. Roy's peak was about as dominant as Hasek's peak, it's just harder to see because league-wide save% rose so much in the late 80s, early 90s. So Roy was dominating on a league-relative basis with a .912 sv%, while Hasek did it with .930s a half decade later. Roy lead the league in save% four times in five years, vs. Hasek's six straight. Kind of cool that Roy more or less passed the torch to Hasek as their peaks almost touch. But Roy also tacked dominant playoff performances on top of that. That matters a lot. I also love Ed Belfour showing up as the league sv% leader in both 91 and 2000. At ages 25 and 34.

Yeah it's a lot like ERA. Easy to adjust for era. Hard to adjust for team quality.

they'll probably use Parsons once then swap him out for a reliever.

Found some cool info when searching for era-adjusted save%. Some dude on hfboards did it for goalies. Here is the top 10, career: Player Min SA Saves Sv% Ken Dryden* 24,105 11,301 10,559 93.4%​ Dominik Hasek* 44,465 22,090 20,434 92.5%​ Tony Esposito* 54,387 27,782 25,613 92.2%​ Patrick Roy* 62,369 30,475 28,036 92.0%​ Bernie Parent* 37,214 18,100 16,650 92.0%​ Johnny Bower* 31,983 16,202 14,885 91.9%​ Billy Smith* 39,460 19,617 17,988 91.7%​ Glenn Resch 33,023 16,442 15,066 91.6%​ Jacques Plante* 51,842 24,846 22,758 91.6%​ Tim Thomas 24,448 13,037 11,932 91.5%​ Martin Brodeur is actually way down the list. At like rank 35, with 91.0%​ adjusted career save%. Patrick Roy jumps up A LOT because the league average sv% in the late 80s was like 88%, and his at the time was about 90% on average. Shows the importance of era-adjusting this stat. Also interesting, the same poster did adjusted sv% for playoff performances. This added some really interesting perspective on Roy: Patrick Roy is tied for the second highest career save percentage out of any goalie who faced at least 1,000 shots (Roy faced more shots than the other top five goalies combined). He's also faced 33% more shots than the next closest goalie (Brodeur). No goalie during the past thirty years has surpassed (or even approached) Roy's combination of an extremely high level of performance, and longevity. ... As I said in the previous post, there is little doubt that Roy is the greatest playoff goalie of the past three decades. He has three of the top seven performances, and five of the top thirty-three. He performed at an exceptionally high level on five different occasions where his team made the Stanley Cup finals, and he was a major reason why they were victorious four times. https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/adjusted-save-percentage-regular-season-1956-2022.2510213/ https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/goalies-adjusted-playoff-save-percentage-1984-2022.1185967/

That's the issue with farm system rankings. Always just a snapshot. Fans tend to overvalue the rankings and lists. The important measurement is just the value being in fact harvested from the system, over time. I think Toronto's farm peaked mid-2021, in the period you were thinking about. 8 top 100 prospects on the BA mid-season list. 14. SS/CF Austin Martin 36. C Gabriel Moreno 37. SP Alek Manoah 38. SP Nate Pearson 52. SP Simeon Woods Richardson 56. SS/3B Jordan Groshans 62. C Alejandro Kirk 82. SS Orelvis Martinez Kirk is still here and is good. Martinez is still here and basically the same thing, just an MLB ready version of a backend top 100 prospect. Manoah gave the org 6 WAR before turning into a pumpkin so as funny as it is to say, he kind of worked out? Moreno was turned into Varsho, so still "here" and a good player. SWR and Martin were successfully peddled off into Jose Berrios, so still here in a sense. Groshans was a complete flop and the trade for RP help didn't yield much, other than the 25 decent Bass innings in 2022 and whatever Pop can provide moving forward. Pearson is a complete flop on the SP side and looking like he will be a complete flop on the RP side too. But still a chance... Honestly it kind of seems like a "par for the course" result from a bag of top 100 prospects.