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Nobody was OVERLY optimistic on this team, including me. But it will certainly be better than what has been forecast on this board. As far as the least amount of errors, I never said it was the best defensive team. But there were posters on this board, that moaned about how bad this team would be defensively. And it has been anything but bad!!!

I have Always said this team was going to be better than the doomsayers. But after awhile, it is pointless to voice any enthusiasm. And by the way, the Jays have the least amount of errors in MLB.

No, they got beat by a pitcher, who didn't do his job!!! All the numbers or bad luck or whatever in the world, won't excuse the fact that the guy threw a bunch of meatballs over the centre of the plate.

I wondered the same thing. Certainly not showing up for his "contract year"

I have never been one to fire the coach right away, but there is something drastically wrong. Where are the stats guys? Have our pitchers given up WAY more walks this year than last at this time?

Andrews also said that he has been alarmed for the past few years when he operates and sees arms that look like they are 40 on kids that are in their 20's.

There was a lengthy discussion on this on Sirius a few weeks ago, with Andrews. He felt that the prevalence today was from the amount of work that young arms are taking on. He said top young pitchers in high school can pitch an entire year now with no time off, as they are dragged from different leagues to show case kids. This was never done before. He felt that kids were arriving at minor league camps with years of wear and tear on young developing arms. His opinion that the work load was much too heavy not in the minors where clubs baby pitchers, but in the previous years where coaches are only interested in winning, and parents are interested in show casing their kid.

Best idea yet!!!!!

Where exactly on the Orioles board was this posted. I couldn't see it anywhere and was interested in reading the responses.

Absolutely right. My girls will never forget it.

And that is why I said I was of the female persuasion. And by the way, I am hardly 80 or anywhere close. And by the way, the Jays are tied for first again.

Sorry, not going to be providing any spoon pics. Either posters believe me or they don't. And yes, even at my advanced age, I know what a spoon pic is. :-)

Both are die hard jays fans, but both are too busy. Rajai davis gave one of my girls an autographed ball last time we were in seattle. My oldest grand said to him, "but i have a sister and he went and got her another ball and signed it for her. He became my favourite just for that.

Well get your money out. Of course I remember from that last time I bet someone on this board, they don't pay, so that will be a waste. Plus, i don't take money from kids, so there is that too. But since i don't have to prove anything to you, I will just tell you, I am a woman, i have two kids that were not from the immaculate conception, and I have two granddaughters, one of which is almost as old as some of the posters on here. Believe it or not, your choice. But Spanky can tell you , you are being dumb.

Well i dont know about girls, but I certainly am of the female persuasion, so don't go betting your lunch money.

He seemed like a very nice man. "You measure your life not in the number of breaths that you take, but in the number of times you have been left breathless" I hope he had lots of those moments. Rip

You have nothing to apologize for. You love numbers, and you apply them to your love of baseball. Most understand that. I started coming onto a message board, because I knew nothing about sabremetrics and that seemed the best way to learn. And I have never had any problem with anyone that uses them or applies them. I have also learned a tremendous amount. Are all these numbers and equations applicable to human beings, I am not so sure. But I really doubt there are many people out there anymore that don't appreciate their validity.

As a woman (one of the few), and as an old one, I can tell you that this forum is not a place that you want to be, unless you go along with the herd. The mere fact that admin feels it is necessary to start this thread, should speak volumes. I actually could care less if anyone agrees with me or not. But, an opinion, (anyone's opinion) should be given some respect. There is a gang mentality, that appears as soon as someone dare to disagree with any of the so called knowledgeable posters. Right or wrongly, there is a feeling here, that if you aren't one of the chosen ones, you have to be either dumb, a casual fan, or not worth speaking to. If this is a closed society, where only the sabr fanatics are welcome, that is fine, it is your club. But if you want it to grow, then you need to do things differently.

And then those same gambling sites should take bets on how long it will take for the fans to start complaining about the next manager.

Well thank goodness for that. Thx for letting us know.

No kidding.

Well then I guess everyone that is complaining about the Jays terrible rotation, shouldn't be concerned.

So these numbers are based only on striking out batters and walks? So if he can only manage to get a velocity of say 88mph, and can't manage to throw the ball anywhere except over the middle of the plate, where it is promptly fired over the fence, that is not his responsibility? I find it hard to believe that any pitcher would be judged on just those two things.

Not missing the point, but why does there have to be a fight? Why is it that the sabre guys think that is the ONLY thing that should ever be used. Those computer numbers that are generated by a machine, HAVE to know more than a person. Even old time fans, would admit that most of the numbers are very useful. The problem is that some think they are the ONLY thing to be considered. When these numbers are being generated, why do they not take into consideration the fact, that JJ has declined each year, that he has been injured numerous years, with serious injuries. Some of which were never fixed properly. Why is it, that when a fan watches a game, and sees JJ being smashed all over the park, and then the next game he comes out, and puts his team down before they even take the field, or that he looks totally lost out there, why is that not worthy of consideration. Why is it, that it is not his fault. When is it the responsibility of the pitcher, for producing a dreadful result? Or is it never his responsibility. Why when he pitches a lousy game, is it the result of bad luck, or bad fielding, or any other such excuse? How bad does a pitcher have to be, before numbers actually support him being lousy?

The Jays trade for Cliff Lee at the break and make the playoffs. :-)