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So just that we're clear here, Zobrist is the mediocre 2B you're referring to right? I mean, I wouldn't want to misquote you on something like that.
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Easy there TollesonFan92
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Before last night's start, in AAA 12 BBs in 13.1 innings. Meaningless sample but it certainly does not lend any evidence towards the case of Sanchez improving his command/control.
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I still don't understand why multiple people think one outing of throwing a proper amount of strikes leads to the statement "his command is improving". I also don't understand why you don't think he has stagnated in his development. He's been promoted but it's not like he's ever done anything to warrant it.
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Even if that's true, which I doubt (other than a start or two), would that not make his walk rate even more terrible? 5 per 9 while only trying to throw strikes with your fastball is past ominous, it's bad.
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Despite me being pro Zorilla, I share your above concern.
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Zobrist is twice the player Prado is and costs less from a salary perspective. He's definitely worth giving up an asset(s) for, especially when you consider how well he'd fit onto the Jays' current roster.
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Zobrist has 1.5 years left (at a very, very attractive $7.5M per). He has a club option next year that you might not have noticed.
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Why not? What if in an alternate universe Tampa Bay was run by Ruben Amaro and he offered Zobrist for the ace in waiting Aaron Sanchez. Why would you ever not do that deal from a Jays perspective?
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I'm confused. So you're saying that Sanchez has to alter something fundamentally like Jesse Chavez before he becomes an actual good pitcher? Well, sure. Ok. But you could say the same for basically any pitcher that throws 92+ (of which there are quite a few). Him actually doing so effectively is not something you should expect to happen (despite the fact that it can happen). Oh please. Find me one instance where I've reacted similarly to the above scenario. Don't be an idiot.
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That's not just coming from me. It's not too hard to find Klaw et al, talking about him needing to change some things to let his obvious arm talent flourish. Less than 8 Ks per 9 is not really not exciting at the AA level these days. Combine that with the ghastly command and the overall results have not been good. Quit putting scouts on a pedestal. Once a player has reached AA/AAA their usefulness rapidly approaches 0.
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Lets not throw out Randy Johnson comps quite so quickly, even it was meant to be tangential. Their bodies are nothing alike, they throw from different sides, Randy threw 5+ mph harder (a bigger gap if you normalize that to respective league averages) and had maybe the best slider in the history of the game. We might as well throw a Mantle comp on Pompey. Kyle Drabek or Tyler Matzek are far, far more likely outcomes than Randy Johnson.
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You're pretty bad at this. His rookie ball stats from 5 years ago bear no weight when figuring out what he is going forward. Quoting/including them only adds noise. And why are you quoting hit and hr rates when we're talking about missing bats? Bizarre. If you think 1 start is a "sign" or indicator of anything (other than velo or noticeable mechanical adjustments, of which he needs to make a few), you're a fool.
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He doesn't miss bats and doesn't throw strikes. This is exactly what you don't want in a high leverage spot. He's a bucket of yuck as a prospect. I can't fathom how anybody would look at that delivery, look at his results and then consciously value him over Stroman or Norris.
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10 Months of Leaked Houston Astros Trade Discussion
Nox replied to TDotttt2005's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Aaron Sanchez untouchable. Jesus. -
The fact that he has a learning disability might prevent any/all of those things from happening.
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10 best outfield throws of the last few decades?
Nox replied to BigCecil's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Relevant: http://www.hardballtimes.com/a-physics-comparison-of-great-throws-from-years-past/ -
I agree this is pretty likely. But, again, they won't move him if they don't think the value is there.
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And you're implying that the one who DOESN'T throw strikes will be better. For some reason. Sanchez, like Drabek, has intoxicating arm talent. I get that. But it also blinds us to dream on the upside rather than think hard about the actual expected outcome. It's cognitively easier to do the former but it leads to bad decisions. I encourage you to engage your system 2.
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Who said that? I said if the offers on the table at the deadline are of less value than what they value 1 year of Price (the same amount of control they'll have in the offseason) to be in a contending/psuedo-contending year then they shouldn't trade him now. That's a far different statement than "they should wait to the offseason to trade him".
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Well firstly, thanks for quoting my post that I deleted because I thought I was being too dickish. Secondly, I'm pretty sure Kyle Drabek's optimal strategy would be to aim right down the middle and throw hard. Every pitch. I'm only half joking.
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Did I misread that?
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Using ball in play metrics as a primary method of evaluation in the low minors is not a good idea. Even at the major league level ball in play stuff needs to be handled carefully.
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I thought Cubans hated Mexicans. Or is it Dominicans hate Cubans. Or Dominicans hate Mexicans? This is all very confusing. Ang, help us out. A spreadsheet or diagram of sorts would probably help.
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What if the value of the offers on the table are less than that of a leveraged year of a 5 win pitcher plus a comp pick plus the option of trading him at next year's deadline? Then they really, really, really shouldn't trade him. FFS, lets think a little before throwing a blanket statement on things.