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you are forgetting auto racing which in most voting polls comes up in the top 5. -
By participation rates it's way past. Basketball #1, Soccer #2, Baseball #3 (down the second most from 2009 rates behind only football's drop). In every other measure though (ratings, popularity polls, revenue) Baseball is losing ground to basketball, but remains ahead of it.
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Again this isn't about speeding up the game (yet). This is about giving the owners, MLBPA and TV Rightsholders something they want...while not effecting the fundamental aspects of the game. So fans are pissed because they are always pissed over change. Much like every other change that's happened they will just watch and enjoy. Next step is truly deal with something that is going to upset one or more of the three above.
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Some of this is on the table and being discussed too (there is talk of MiLB all stars competing at MLB all star weekend). They are going to loosen their stance on gambling and embrace Fantasy and DFS as well (which is probably bigger than any of pace of play). You give the owners and Media outlets the OT change and then you approach about some pace of play ideas which will make a difference...and negatively effect revenue. You understand negotiations that is how these things work. Outside of loving really long games (which I love too...but take Canada Day for example, I had to work) can anyone come up with a legit reason this negatively changes baseball.
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Pitches per game chart I found from a 2010 article. It is only getting higher since then. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pitches_per_game.jpg
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That works as well. It's still going to draw the same reaction from fans when they hear it though.
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I think everyone is looking at these things in too much of a bubble. These are things which will never change anyone's enjoyment of the game (sure you'll reminisce about those old 18 inning games you'll never see again) and they spark the conversation that baseball has a length of play problem (something Selig liked to ignore that Manfred has an agenda. They table this one and ensure that super long games shouldn't happen anymore (still could be less likely) and owners and TV rightsholders are going to love it as marathon games only mean lost revenue (not to mention increasing player injuries). Using length of games might be just an excuse but then next you can tackle another issue. It's really tough to put a rule to "pace of play". Any baseball fan which says this is going to stop them from watching is blowing smoke. The "it's ruining the integrity of the game crowd" is equally full of s***. This is a non-factor rule change, which fans will likely end up enjoying in the end.
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This isn't the NFL...both teams are at the same disadvantage. I think people are seriously overthinking this. I'd say that the worst part of this rule will be the announcers talking about the strategies of it. Most teams will be trying for 2 or more runs. and really we are talking about less than 8% of the games most seasons. This isn't game changing for anything really except for the Baseball fan who traditionally can't handle change. It's not like good teams are dominant in extra innings now. Wasn't the best team like 4 games over .500 in extras and I think the worst was the Jays are 5 games under.
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you and I are obviously not knowledgeable fans.
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This isn't that convoluted .. it is giving a team a free double to start the inning. There might not be a more exciting play in baseball than a tag out at home...this will surely provide some of those. I really don't see how people think it's going to do anything to the game itself...other than shorten them. The good news is that we live on the east coast...when our extra inning game ends a little earlier than it should, we can watch west coast games.
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Average viewer age of baseball in the states is 55. That's what is freaking the hell out of MLB. New American's who aren't young have embraced the game...but deep down advertisers don't give a s*** about old people. Plus they need young viewers before us old f***s go and die. What's important about Manfred is that he's not just saying "revenue's up huge...we're good" He's bringing discussions to the table (just today discussing how they have to change their view on gambling).
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Yes...polls for new fans to the game are overwhelming that baseball is too long. Will cutting the game work...maybe not but if they let games continue to get longer they would. TV does not make additional revenue in Extra Innings games. It's hugely discounted ad time (don't know about playoffs). And it's nothing but lost revenue in the park (paying staff extra hours, with zero extra returned). The games essence is such ********...especially coming from fans that are calling for a DH. No game has changed more than baseball over time. Japan has ties after 12 innings, including in the playoffs (with the exception of game 8). I honestly think this is about one of the most minor changes and wouldn't hurt anyone's enjoyment of the game, even the most diehard fans.
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You also have to remember that long baseball games are not an issue with "baseball fans"...it's a huge issue in bringing new fans to the game though. Again I fully support this rule change...no issues at all with it.
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I was just coming on to say this. I love the International rule and always have. Only way we are seeing Sac-Sac from the home team would be if the road team doesn't score or if it's really useless hitters at the plate and they used their PH's already. I love 17 inning games, when I'm at home. At the stadium with no concession stands and annoying fans, I'd rather a quicker extra inning game. Killing pitchers and seeing position players pitch is fun for fans but way more of a gimmick than a player starting on second. I 100% support this change...providing it doesn't happen in the playoffs.
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Welcome to the "but look at my youth" side of things.
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My official Keepers (subject to change based on opinions of people posting about how bad it is) C Stephen Vogt 1B Eric Hosmer 2B Logan Forsythe SS Addison Russell 3B Maikel Franco OF Marcell Ozuna OF Khris Davis CF George Springer Util Yuli Gurriel Bench Joe Panik Bench Carson Kelly SP Noah Syndergaard SP Archie Bradley SP Brandon Finnegan RP Cody Allen RP Hunter Strickland RP Tyler Thornburg RP Sam Dyson RP Justin Wilson Bench Lucas Sims
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confirmed...all this so I could snipe your first round pick next June.
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MLB Considering allowing automatic intentional walks
TheHurl replied to AdamGreenwood's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Team money on beer sales is miniscule. Faster games is good for local economy..and remember not every team owns their TV rights. 80% of the team's care more about ending games sooner and getting the fans back. -
and follow that whisper up with the names Machado, Harper, Kershaw, Harvey, Cutch, Pollock, Jones, Dozier...lots of competition for $$$ that 2018-19 off-season.
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I don't think they ever really participated in it (once...maybe twice). I remember an interview (with Jonah Keri) where he talked about he spent too much time developing systems to let someone from his system go. So he hated going into the Rule 5 with an open spot on the 40.
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actually not common at all. There are exactly two exemptions. Those that qualify for a 4th option (not completed 5 years of professional baseball...much less common now with not being able to sign draftees to major league contracts). The second exemption is simple...spending the entire year on the DL.
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I do remember everyone saying the same about Adrian Gonzalez...I remember being the one that said it.
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General 2017 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
TheHurl replied to reedjohnsonfan's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Missed it but supposedly Pete Walker talked about Biagini stretched out during Spring and will pitch out of the pen. But might be the first they go to in case of injury. -
He usually only goes off on messageboards that repost his Insider Articles.
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between this line and his hatred of Greenwood...Silvergun has become my favourite DDL member
