ST GDT: 1:05 PM EST Rays @ Jays at TD Park

[max silver]

Why do you do this?

 

He had a 114 wrC+ and slugged .455

 

Why do I do what exactly? Turner was really solid for most of the season. I share the same concern as everyone else about his age as he'll drop off eventually but that hasn't happened yet. Check out his monthly splits.

 

April 101 wRC+

May 111 wRC+

June 128 wRC+

July 161 wRC+

August 139 wRC+

September 56 wRC+

 

He played through a good chunk of the second half with a deep bone bruise in his heel and he reportedly could barely walk towards the end. I suspect this is largely to blame for the swoon at the end of the season as Turner refused to shut things down early. He had a bit of a slow start to the season as he was reportedly hit in the head in spring training which may or may not have factored into the slow start. Once he heated up he had a terrific 5 month stretch where he produced a 128 wRC+ over a 532 PA sample of playing time. If he remains healthy I think this is the type of offensive ceiling he possesses.

[Orgfiller]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Danny Jansen talk for this long before. He’s a wonderful interview.

[max silver]

There's actually a ton of people here who thought Varsho was a vetter CF defender than KK last year so I'm not talking s***. Again, people getting defensive like im speaking about their family. Take it easy.

 

The advanced metrics suggest that Varsho is a much better center fielder than Kiermaier as he accumulates both DRS and OAA at approximately twice the rate. The only reason there's any doubt remaining is because Varsho hasn't played a full season in center field yet so we are left needing to extrapolate his numbers to a full season to compare.

[Jays24]

Who?

 

Honestly I don't recall many people here by their usernames except for Spanky only because he turns everything into a nasty convo lol. I'm sure the ones who believed this would show themselves.

 

Anyways, that was meant to be a joke because that was a tough ass play for anyone to make.

[Stangstag]

Honestly I don't recall many people here by their usernames except for Spanky only because he turns everything into a nasty convo lol. I'm sure the ones who believed this would show themselves.

 

Anyways, that was meant to be a joke because that was a tough ass play for anyone to make.

 

Well Spanky is drunk 80% of the time so take what he says with a grain of salt

[Spanky99]

Harrison is one to watch this spring. Good stuff, should be a SP full time this year after making the switch last year

 

lol... he has a 35 grade, I mean, I hope you're right, but I don't think so, bro.

[Spanky99]

Well Spanky is drunk 80% of the time so take what he says with a grain of salt

 

Drinking twice a week is 80% of the time? Interesting, tool.

[PitaBaby]

Drinking twice a week is 80% of the time? Interesting.

 

Lightweight. Unreal.

[PitaBaby]

Good eye, Serven.

[max silver]

Drinking twice a week is 80% of the time? Interesting.

 

I guess that would be true if they were 3 day benders.

[Stangstag]

Drinking twice a week is 80% of the time? Interesting, tool.

 

If its down to twice a week then that’s good. Good on you

[Spanky99]

I guess that would be true if they were 3 day benders.

 

Don't do that s***, can't do that s*** anymore. Also you guys can all go f*** yourselves.

[Orgfiller]

Davis Schneider has seen nothing but high heat again this Spring, and so far he's been struggling to catch up. He did adjust a bit last season to hit them, but then the league countered with lots of offspeed to setup the high heat.

[Stangstag]

Don't do that s***, can't do that s*** anymore. Also you guys can all go f*** yourselves.

 

f*** you too dude

[Daniel Labude]

lol... he has a 35 grade, I mean, I hope you're right, but I don't think so, bro.

 

A 35 grade doesn't mean someone is bad

[Stangstag]

That is a terrible attempt by Devonte Brown

[burlingtonbandit]

The advanced metrics suggest that Varsho is a much better center fielder than Kiermaier as he accumulates both DRS and OAA at approximately twice the rate. The only reason there's any doubt remaining is because Varsho hasn't played a full season in center field yet so we are left needing to extrapolate his numbers to a full season to compare.

 

KK in 2023

981 innings 18 DRS and 13 OAA which is in line with his career numbers

 

Varsho entire career in CF

1152 Innings 23 DRS and 20 OAA

 

However 921 innings in LF he has 16 DRS and only 2 OAA.

 

 

I wouldn't say Varsho is a "much better" centre fielder especially when you would think the Jays would put the better CF in their analysis in CF (KK).

[Brownie19]

KK in 2023

981 innings 18 DRS and 13 OAA which is in line with his career numbers

 

Varsho entire career in CF

1152 Innings 23 DRS and 20 OAA

 

However 921 innings in LF he has 16 DRS and only 2 OAA.

 

 

I wouldn't say Varsho is a "much better" centre fielder especially when you would think the Jays would put the better CF in their analysis in CF (KK).

 

I'm not going to voice an opinion about who's better defensively in CF - but will point out there's a possibility the Jays would leave KK in CF, even if they think Varsho is better (at this point, it's probably marginally, or "a bit" and there is a breaking point) simply out of respect and b/c Varsho has more experience in the corners. KK is literally one of the best defensive CFers of all-time. He's going to want to play CF until he says he's done playing it.

[Spanky99]

A 35 grade doesn't mean someone is bad

 

Obviously not, he's in pro ball.

[PitaBaby]

Devonte Brown ladies and gentlemen.

[Spanky99]

I'm not going to voice an opinion about who's better defensively in CF - but will point out there's a possibility the Jays would leave KK in CF, even if they think Varsho is better (at this point, it's probably marginally, or "a bit" and there is a breaking point) simply out of respect and b/c Varsho has more experience in the corners. KK is literally one of the best defensive CFers of all-time. He's going to want to play CF until he says he's done playing it.

 

Also, he wouldn't of signed, I still think they should've passed for thump, is what it is now. Birds are all about run prevention and positive regression from the regulars. They'll win 90 this year.

[max silver]

KK in 2023

981 innings 18 DRS and 13 OAA which is in line with his career numbers

 

Varsho entire career in CF

1152 Innings 23 DRS and 20 OAA

 

However 921 innings in LF he has 16 DRS and only 2 OAA.

 

 

I wouldn't say Varsho is a "much better" centre fielder especially when you would think the Jays would put the better CF in their analysis in CF (KK).

 

Varho's center field metrics took a dramatic leap forward in 2022 so I don't think the previous numbers are terribly informative of his present abilities. His OAA rates are very similar in the 2022 and 2023 seasons, and it stands to reason that he was still learning to play the position based on how little time he spent in the outfield prior to 2022 (only 155 innings in 2020 and only 338 innings in 2021.) Varsho's last two seasons in center field show the following:

 

841 innings 23 DRS 18 OAA. Extrapolate this to 981 innings and you are left with 27 DRS and 21 OAA. So not double of Kiermaier but still 50% higher in DRS and 62% higher in OAA. It stands to reason that the team is deferring to the more experienced player to man center field which very well could be a key to getting Kiermaier to sign with them in the first place.

 

The left field OAA is a puzzling phenomenon and could very well be a single year statistical anomaly. Varsho himself mentioned that left field was the hardest outfield position for him and he could very well still have been adjusting to the position for the bulk of the season. I don't recall ever seeing this dramatic of a gap between DRS and OAA so it will be fascinating to follow his metrics as the season unfolds.

[Spanky99]

Just realized our first series is at the Trop.

[Spanky99]

This kid is something, looked great last time out.

 

Throw strikes, meat.

[PitaBaby]

Just realized our first series is at the Trop.

 

Need a split. First 9 out of 10 games on the road again.

[Orgfiller]

Nasty stuff from TJ Brock but his command has been horrendous, he has no idea where the slider is going and the fastball is also a bit all over the place. Fastball 94-96, mostly in the upper range. Slider tight with sharp (mostly downward) movement at 87-89.

[Spanky99]

Need a split. First 9 out of 10 games on the road again.

 

Yeah, because of the reno's.

[Stangstag]

Just realized our first series is at the Trop.

 

Woohoo...

[L54]

The Badass Hero!

 

Stfu

[L54]

Imagine people losing their minds for pointing out a clear flaw in the team and then trying to make a harmless joke about Varsho. It wasn't meant to be this serious but people acting like i was personally attacking them or their families lol.

 

Your criticism is fair and not unreasonable