2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[Abomination]

Would 2+ years of Clevinger cost Monaoh or Woods Richardson + Groshans + rookie ball lottery ticket?

 

Not sure how much being a asshat drives down the price.

 

Definitely cost that. Honestly, I'd rather just buy in FA I think.

[Slade]

Too close to the free agent market and we're not quite there yet when it comes to really being competitive.

[BlueRocky]

Would 2+ years of Clevinger cost Monaoh or Woods Richardson + Groshans + rookie ball lottery ticket?

 

Not sure how much being a asshat drives down the price.

 

No way it’s gonna cost that much.

[Grant77]

We’d have to eat salary and give up a prospect. But there’s enough club control on Mike Clevinger to justify it. These are the type of deals they need to explore if we’re seriously contending 2020-2024.

 

We'd almost certainly have to include Woods-Richardson or Manoah and another top 10 bat. I'm not necessarily against that, but I'm curious to see how the Indians evaluate prospects. They may prefer major league pieces and we don't have that.

[Jonn]

If the fallout is that severe it won’t cost nearly that much. That would be driving force behind making that deal. I actually think its kind of BS what Cleveland is doing. Sure he f***ed up and deserved punishment. I don’t think he belongs in purgatory and lose a year of service. That’s a bit extreme. Suck it up and give him a second chance or f*** off. I’d ask for trade if I was him just to f*** them over more at that point

[Grant77]

If the fallout is that severe it won’t cost nearly that much. That would be driving force behind making that deal. I actually think its kind of BS what Cleveland is doing. Sure he f***ed up and deserved punishment. I don’t think he belongs in purgatory and lose a year of service. That’s a bit extreme. Suck it up and give him a second chance or f*** off. I’d ask for trade if I was him just to f*** them over more at that point

 

The cost will dictated by what other teams are willing to pay. Delayed free agency will increase his cost even more.

[Jonn]

The cost will dictated by what other teams are willing to pay. Delayed free agency will increase his cost even more.

 

Not if he refuses to pitch for them after robbing him of a year of service. That’s not going to go over well with the Players Association either.

[Grant77]

Not if he refuses to pitch for them after robbing him of a year of service. That’s not going to go over well with the Players Association either.

 

If he doesn't pitch then nobody gets him. If he does pitch then his cost will be even higher because he has an extra year of control.

 

There's no discount here and you're completely out to lunch if you think there is.

[Jonn]

If he doesn't pitch then nobody gets him. If he does pitch then his cost will be even higher because he has an extra year of control.

 

There's no discount here and you're completely out to lunch if you think there is.

 

That’s not really things work. Cleveland can’t just hoard him without consequences. If they want to hold his value they better swallow their pride and call him up as soon as he’s eligible.

[Grant77]

That’s not really things work. Cleveland can’t just hoard him without consequences. If they want to hold his value they better swallow their pride and call him up as soon as he’s eligible.

 

You need to get it through your head that his relationship with the Indians doesn't affect his trade value.

 

If the White Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays all want Clevinger then they are bidding against each other. The price will be extremely high.

 

Your pie in the sky scenario is that the Blue Jays are the only team that wants anything to do with Clevinger and the Indians trade him for pennies on the dollar because relationship has soured. Is that realistic? I think not.

[Jonn]

You need to get it through your head that his relationship with the Indians doesn't affect his trade value.

 

If the White Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays all want Clevinger then they are bidding against each other. The price will be extremely high.

 

Your pie in the sky scenario is that the Blue Jays are the only team that wants anything to do with Clevinger and the Indians trade him for pennies on the dollar because relationship has soured. Is that realistic? I think not.

 

You need to get it out of your head that I said any of that lol. All I have said is that his value will not be the same if the relationship soured that much. And as soon as they decide to cost him a year of service that relationships going to take another negative turn. Not once did I suggest other teams won’t compete for him or this is only a Blue Jays scenario of stealing him. The fact that he would even be available right now is a consequence of this situation.

 

You’re really getting all worked up about nothing.

[Grant77]

You need to get it out of your head that I said any of that (his value being decreased)

 

If the fallout is that severe it won’t cost nearly that much. That would be driving force behind making that deal.

 

I don't get why you have to lie when your quotes are right there, but whatever.

 

Star players get good returns even if their relationship with their team is not good.

 

Star players with extra control get even better returns.

 

I don't agree with your assertion that both of those statements are untrue and there's no point in continuing to argue that point or backtracking your previous statements.

[Jonn]

I don't get why you have to lie when your quotes are right there, but whatever.

 

Star players get good returns even if their relationship with their team is not good.

 

Star players with extra control get even better returns.

 

I don't agree with your assertion that both of those statements are untrue and there's no point in continuing to argue that point or backtracking your previous statements.

 

My entire point was on this basis that he would be easier to acquire than normal. I have no idea why you’re having such a difficult time comprehending what I’m saying lol. You have completely assumed the vast majority of what you just brought up.

 

You seem to think that this situation won’t effect Clevinger‘s trade value or availability and I think the opposite. You have somehow created an entirely different narrative.

[Grant77]

You contradict yourself in your own post.

 

"I'm not saying he will be easier to acquire. I'm just saying that he will be available and his trade value will be reduced."

 

This is one of the silliest exchanges I have ever had on this forum. Have another drink and enjoy the rest of the game. Cheers my drunk or high friend.

[Jonn]

You contradict yourself in your own post.

 

"I'm not saying he will be easier to acquire. I'm just saying that he will be available and his trade value will be reduced."

 

This is one of the silliest exchanges I have ever had on this forum. Have another drink and enjoy the rest of the game. Cheers my drunk or high friend.

 

You just made up a phantom quote to bolster your ridiculous argument. Congratulations sir you just played yourself.

[JFD]

Sell high on Grichuk

[Slade]

Sell Grichuk

Sell Gurriel

Sell McGuire

Sell Bass

Sell Dolis

DFA Drury

DFA Panik

[BlueRocky]

We need a legit bat, Grichuk and Teoscar as your 2nd and 3rd best hitters isn’t enough for a lineup looking at playoffs. Go get a difference maker that can drive in runs with RISP.

 

Panik should never play again, he can’t even lay down a bunt.

 

Kirk is also a massive upgrade over McG offensively, guy can’t even hit his own weight. He has a .107 OBP and -23 wRC+. He can’t even sac fly a runner from third base.

 

You can live with one black hole in the lineup, we have way too many.

 

Biggio is on an island out there without Bichette. Even with Bichette back, a bonafide bat in the lineup shifts everyone down a peg.

 

They either have to add or promote from the farm. Screw service time manipulation. Whoever you call up now you get 7 years of control. We don’t need to own everyone until they’re 35 and ready to retire. If you want that much to keep your players 8 years from now then pay them! This isn’t a cheap budget org like the A’s or Cleveland.

Edited August 23, 2020 by BlueRocky

[saskjayfan]

I've talked myself into Gregorius. He's our every day short stop until Bo gets back. He can play third. Shaw can play first. Out of Shaw, gregorius, rowdy and Vlad you can give guys the odd day off and you have at least one quality bat on the bench and injuries could happen.

 

What does an expiring Gregorius cost?

[Jonn]

I don’t even think it’s worth selling. You’re not going to get anything worthwhile. We don’t need to shed salary. I say you make some low risk upgrades and have some fun in September. Get another decent starter if you can but we need a couple bats. You just can’t have Drury and Panik get regular at-bats. A platoon guy with Shaw would also be extremely helpful. Unfortunately you have to put up with Jansen and McGuire unless you chase a big fish like Realmuto which I don’t think is the play.

 

Edit: If your going to have a manager that likes to get everyone playing time and use his bench. Atleast give him some talent to work with.

[BlueRocky]

It should not be that hard to upgrade over Panik, Drury, & Alford tier. There are teams out there willing to GIVE players away just to shed salary for crying out loud.

 

Marlins signed a bunch of scrubs from the free agent site and they have more productive at-bats than some of our bench warmers. It’s embarrassing at this point. Can’t even lay down a bunt, a sac fly or take a walk. An 80 wRC+ bat would be a major upgrade.

[43211234]

It should not be that hard to upgrade over Panik, Drury, & Alford tier. There are teams out there willing to GIVE players away just to shed salary for crying out loud.

 

Marlins signed a bunch of scrubs from the free agent site and they have more productive at-bats than some of our bench warmers. It’s embarrassing at this point. Can’t even lay down a bunt, a sac fly or take a walk. An 80 wRC+ bat would be a major upgrade.

 

Jonathan Villar from the Marlins might be a nice target. On a 1 year $8.2M deal (final arb year)

 

Or Jonathan Schoop on the Tigers. 1-year $6.1M.

 

Villar has much more SS experience.

 

 

Trade for one of them and punt Panik. The Marlins might want to get rid of that salary ASAP.

[TheHurl]

What about Galvis?

[43211234]

What about Galvis?

 

Honestly not a bad option.

 

But probably a move the team would avoid to save face.

 

 

Edit: but would be Reds be selling? They have a legit shot at the playoffs.

 

Also, the Marlins are 11-10? wtf

[Grant77]

What about Galvis?

 

I brought up Wilmer Flores, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Tommy La Stella in another thread. There is no shortage of infield bats on bad teams. Considering what we got for Galvis last year, they should be pretty much free.

[Slade]

What about Galvis?

 

As a bench option to replace Panik, I like it. As a starter taking away at bats from Espinal until Bichette gets back I don't like it.

[glory]

Galvis and Flores to replace Panik and Drury, and then have Fisher/Davis as the outfielders off the bench, and this team would be pretty solid offensively. Right now the bench sucks and has limited platoon options. That needs to change. I still can't believe they signed Shaw, but were perfectly content with Panik/Drury as the backups.

[TheHurl]

Danny Duffy is a target for me as much as he's not worth the contract he's an upgrade and the Jays can afford the $15.5 next year (and yes I know this is going to draw eww's but I don't think it takes more than a lottery ticket to get him).

 

If you absolutely believe in this team for next year. Pay the price for Lance Lynn. Going to cost you two prospects. The Rangers lost that new stadium boost and who knows if they get that back. If they make him available there will be 15 or so teams interested. I'm risk adverse on this one. But who knows.

 

Galvis as I mentioned. Cinci has the most decisions to make.

 

Kyle Seager's 2022 option becomes a players option with a trade but he's a guy that would secure 3B this year and next. Improves the first off the bench spot. At the minimum going to cost you a catching prospect plus probably a lively arm.

 

If you are looking at this year only Andrelton Simmons fits the bill. Probably depends on how long Bo is out for. He secures the D but does very little for the offense. As Grant mentions LaStella might be the better fit.

[TheHurl]

I brought up Wilmer Flores, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Tommy La Stella in another thread. There is no shortage of infield bats on bad teams. Considering what we got for Galvis last year, they should be pretty much free.

 

Washington is Washington they won't be giving up. LaStella will have a few suiters but is a really good target. Flores has 2 years left at nothing, he is the most Zaidi/Harris player on their team. I don't think he will be available. Brandon Crawford will be free.

[Scion]

I've talked myself into Gregorius. He's our every day short stop until Bo gets back. He can play third. Shaw can play first. Out of Shaw, gregorius, rowdy and Vlad you can give guys the odd day off and you have at least one quality bat on the bench and injuries could happen.

 

What does an expiring Gregorius cost?

 

I know for a fact that he would be open to playing here longer term as well, but only if he is the SS. I doubt he will lower his market value by playing 3B when he is still a capable defensive SS.