General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Plat]

I'm sort of flabbergasted that they denied the plan despite the ability to CONFINE players to the old SkyDome hotel.

 

One of my major concerns with this, is what precedent does this set up for the other leagues, is this the end of sports leagues existing in Canada as well? Because obviously, when the MLS is done with their little world cup, TFC, Impact, and Whitecaps will be in the same boat.

 

When I heard the decision, I just had a bad feeling that the Blue Jays will probably never play a game in Toronto again.

 

 

Did you create an alt account just to post this overdramatic ass shiet lmfao

[Jimcanuck]

The fed decision probably has less to do with the specific risks associated with MLB games in Toronto, and more to do with making an exception that other sports, teams, groups, etc would demand.

[Boxcar]

Did you create an alt account just to post this overdramatic ass shiet lmfao

 

Probably a new poster or lurker who decided to chime in with an opinion you don't share, so label him an alt account or troll. Winning strategy.

[MisterSG1]

How is it overdramatic? It's real questions we need to ask ourselves. If the feds want to make a border crossing impossible for what was a very good plan, then why should the other leagues (except the NHL) even want to go to the future potential trouble of dealing with the Canadian government.

[RobinThicc]

I actually thought they could pull it off safely in Toronto, but im not mad at the decision. I also dont give a s*** about where they play this season.

[Jonn]

Had no problem with what the new guy said. Its a very real possible it could be more than just this season that the Blue Jays don’t play in Toronto. I don’t think ever but it could be years.

 

The sad part is relying on America to get there s*** together.

[Spanky99]

What the f*** does this have to do with anything Spanky lol.

 

Home field, meat.

[MisterSG1]

I actually thought they could pull it off safely in Toronto, but im not mad at the decision. I also dont give a s*** about where they play this season.

 

But the question remains, based on this, do you think the Blue Jays could ever play a game in Toronto again?

 

Look, the hub city model would have been better, but something will definitely seem like a fish out of water when you see the Yankees playing in Yankee Stadium, the BoSox in Fenway, you get my point.

 

Based on having to not use Toronto, personally I think the most strategic decision would be where the Fisher Cats play, but that's just my personal opinion and don't know the logistics about the whole thing.

 

As to that other poster:

 

I'm not just a troll and I've been following the Blue Jays regularly, if I wasn't, than how would I even know who the Fisher Cats were?

 

 

I'd just be saddened to see the century old tradition of the cross border sports leagues end because of the coronationalism this has all led to.

[philly30]

This is my first post and I think it is ridiculous to say the Blue jays will not play in Toronto ever again or to think the NBA champs will never play in Toronto.

[Dick_Pole]

Concern #1: Blue Jays may never play in Canada again.

Concern #2: America might never get its s*** together.

 

The more likely outcome of this action is MORE games in Canada, not less. Baseball is a little tougher because a lack of facilities but the NHL and NBA could play here and the players would like it because quarantine measures would be less strict. Canada would also be on a quicker path to allowing fans in the stands.

 

Also, Rogers is one of the stronger owners and has VERY GOOD incentive to keep this team right where it is for multiple $$$ reasons.

[philly30]

But the question remains, based on this, do you think the Blue Jays could ever play a game in Toronto again?

 

Look, the hub city model would have been better, but something will definitely seem like a fish out of water when you see the Yankees playing in Yankee Stadium, the BoSox in Fenway, you get my point.

 

Based on having to not use Toronto, personally I think the most strategic decision would be where the Fisher Cats play, but that's just my personal opinion and don't know the logistics about the whole thing.

 

As to that other poster:

 

I'm not just a troll and I've been following the Blue Jays regularly, if I wasn't, than how would I even know who the Fisher Cats were?

 

 

I'd just be saddened to see the century old tradition of the cross border sports leagues end because of the coronationalism this has all led to.

 

Take it easy that won't happen

[philly30]

MLB is not moving a team out of the 4th largest market, although the leadership in the MLB does leave much to be desired. I think this whole mess makes it more likely the rays move to Montreal not less

[Jonn]

But the question remains, based on this, do you think the Blue Jays could ever play a game in Toronto again?

 

Look, the hub city model would have been better, but something will definitely seem like a fish out of water when you see the Yankees playing in Yankee Stadium, the BoSox in Fenway, you get my point.

 

Based on having to not use Toronto, personally I think the most strategic decision would be where the Fisher Cats play, but that's just my personal opinion and don't know the logistics about the whole thing.

 

As to that other poster:

 

I'm not just a troll and I've been following the Blue Jays regularly, if I wasn't, than how would I even know who the Fisher Cats were?

 

 

I'd just be saddened to see the century old tradition of the cross border sports leagues end because of the coronationalism this has all led to.

 

The hub city model was only realistic in Florida or Arizona. Its not like the NHL or NBA where any practice facility could meet regulation sizes. Most cities don’t have multiple fields to host multiple Baseball teams. I know the NHL is playing at NHL arenas but there are also far fewer games. The NBA is being played on essentially practice courts that resemble High School gyms more than an NBA arena.

[MisterSG1]

Also, Rogers is one of the stronger owners and has VERY GOOD incentive to keep this team right where it is for multiple $$$ reasons.

 

Well, we all know that, but the issue doesn't lie with them, but with the MLB. Although it would be unprecedented, if the MLB doesn't want to deal with this level of uncertainty with a foreign government, than they could basically "force" the Jays to relocate, and I'm sure the giant American media juggernauts would be happy of not having to deal with a Canadian market, which I like to call a "ghost market" in terms of US revenue for TV rights. Remember how few playoff games, ones we waited a good 22 years to see again, actually came on in prime time, because Canadian viewership doesn't count towards an ounce of US ratings.

[philly30]

Well, we all know that, but the issue doesn't lie with them, but with the MLB. Although it would be unprecedented, if the MLB doesn't want to deal with this level of uncertainty with a foreign government, than they could basically "force" the Jays to relocate, and I'm sure the giant American media juggernauts would be happy of not having to deal with a Canadian market, which I like to call a "ghost market" in terms of US revenue for TV rights. Remember how few playoff games, ones we waited a good 22 years to see again, actually came on in prime time, because Canadian viewership doesn't count towards an ounce of US ratings.

 

This conspiracy theory makes no sense because Manfred has been basically trying to push the Rays to Montreal. 10 years from now Florida will be the sports ghost town

[Jonn]

Starting to see all over Twitter. How Buffalo fans want to be allowed to go to games in small numbers. There better be nobody that doesn’t need to be there within 100 Feet of that stadium at any time this year. Unless we’re allowed to cross the border and watch as well.

[MisterSG1]

This conspiracy theory makes no sense because Manfred has been basically trying to push the Rays to Montreal. 10 years from now Florida will be the sports ghost town

 

I think you misunderstood what I meant by a "ghost market", we all know Toronto is one of the largest sports markets in North America. But the size and importance of this market does not matter at all with TV ratings, which become very important when October baseball begins. Toronto is essentially a "ghost market" to the US broadcasters because Canadian viewership doesn't matter to the US broadcasters. There wouldn't be much difference if the Toronto Blue Jays were based out of the south pole, it's sill the same equal "ghost market" as it gives nothing to them of value. (ie ratings)

 

There's definitely a market in Toronto, but since it doesn't matter towards ratings monies, it is practically invisible, hence my term "ghost market".

[Dick_Pole]

Well, we all know that, but the issue doesn't lie with them, but with the MLB. Although it would be unprecedented, if the MLB doesn't want to deal with this level of uncertainty with a foreign government, than they could basically "force" the Jays to relocate, and I'm sure the giant American media juggernauts would be happy of not having to deal with a Canadian market, which I like to call a "ghost market" in terms of US revenue for TV rights. Remember how few playoff games, ones we waited a good 22 years to see again, actually came on in prime time, because Canadian viewership doesn't count towards an ounce of US ratings.

 

Holy f***. "Foreign government" lol.

[philly30]

I think you misunderstood what I meant by a "ghost market", we all know Toronto is one of the largest sports markets in North America. But the size and importance of this market does not matter at all with TV ratings, which become very important when October baseball begins. Toronto is essentially a "ghost market" to the US broadcasters because Canadian viewership doesn't matter to the US broadcasters. There wouldn't be much difference if the Toronto Blue Jays were based out of the south pole, it's sill the same equal "ghost market" as it gives nothing to them of value. (ie ratings)

 

Ok but it has been that way forever, that didn't stop the flames from moving to Winnipeg or the raptors in the NBA, or Manfred from pushing the rays to play games in Montreal

[MisterSG1]

Holy f***. "Foreign government" lol.

 

Well we are, aren't we. Canada is a sovereign nation the last time I looked at my map on the wall.

[philly30]

Well we are, aren't we. Canada is a sovereign nation the last time I looked at my map on the wall.

 

Yeah but a bit different that trying to make a nuclear arms deal with russia lol, If we can share Norad we can share the MLB

[Olerud363]

The fed decision probably has less to do with the specific risks associated with MLB games in Toronto, and more to do with making an exception that other sports, teams, groups, etc would demand.

 

I agree that was probably the thinking behind it. I think this why it bothers me. Everyone doesn't get a medal. Exceptions can be made for the best in the world. You might let North Koreans in for the Olympics even if you don't let their jr level bowling team in.

[Olerud363]

Starting to see all over Twitter. How Buffalo fans want to be allowed to go to games in small numbers. There better be nobody that doesn’t need to be there within 100 Feet of that stadium at any time this year. Unless we’re allowed to cross the border and watch as well.

 

Small numbers?? This is America. They should be allowed to fill the place up. Standing room only. Full concessions. No masks. Autographs from the players and hugs. And we welcome our friends from Canuckastan with open arms. You should be allowed to come too (good luck getting back though)

[Olerud363]

Why even take that chance though? even if it is a very small chance of the virus spreading, why take the chance? there's no fans allowed in anyway.

 

You could say that about anything. Why allow the beer stores to be open?? You don't need beer. Incremental risk of keeping beer stores open is greater then letting the Jays play. So if you are an incremental risk guy I hope you also want the beer stores closed.

 

Not to be rude. I actually appreciate the Wuhan solution, and sometimes think we should go for it. Weld the doors shut, deliver breakfast lunch and dinner with drones. However we are not doing the Wuhan solution so it's crazy that some risks are allowed but others not.

[Plat]

Probably a new poster or lurker who decided to chime in with an opinion you don't share, so label him an alt account or troll. Winning strategy.

 

It's probably your alt account lmfao. I just don't see how anyone can really think there will NEVER be baseball or other sports played in Canada again because of a once in a lifetime f***ed up situation we are in right now, this pandemic is bad but it WILL come to an end and things will get back to normal. I see this board is all about taking things to an extreme, you got the this aint even that bad crowd and the holy s*** we're never gonna see baseball played in Canada again crowd.

[Plat]

You could say that about anything. Why allow the beer stores to be open?? You don't need beer. Incremental risk of keeping beer stores open is greater then letting the Jays play. So if you are an incremental risk guy I hope you also want the beer stores closed.

 

Not to be rude. I actually appreciate the Wuhan solution, and sometimes think we should go for it. Weld the doors shut, deliver breakfast lunch and dinner with drones. However we are not doing the Wuhan solution so it's crazy that some risks are allowed but others not.

 

 

We don't cross the border from the most covid infected country to buy beer though...how is that comparable?

[RobinThicc]

But the question remains, based on this, do you think the Blue Jays could ever play a game in Toronto again?

 

Look, the hub city model would have been better, but something will definitely seem like a fish out of water when you see the Yankees playing in Yankee Stadium, the BoSox in Fenway, you get my point.

 

Based on having to not use Toronto, personally I think the most strategic decision would be where the Fisher Cats play, but that's just my personal opinion and don't know the logistics about the whole thing.

 

As to that other poster:

 

I'm not just a troll and I've been following the Blue Jays regularly, if I wasn't, than how would I even know who the Fisher Cats were?

 

 

I'd just be saddened to see the century old tradition of the cross border sports leagues end because of the coronationalism this has all led to.

 

Why would the Jays never play games in Toronto again?

 

Am I missing something?

 

Your post comes off very dramatic to me.

[Plat]

Your post comes off very dramatic to me.

 

It's cause it is, it's funny how this guys very first post is to say some outrageous s*** like that

[Spanky99]

Woods Richardson turning heads at camp

 

TORONTO -- Simeon Woods Richardson doesn’t look, talk or throw a baseball like the only teenager at the Blue Jays’ Summer Camp in Toronto.

 

The club’s No. 3 prospect, now 19, has already come further than anyone expected by this point after being acquired from the Mets in the Marcus Stroman deal nearly one year ago. The Blue Jays surprised many with an aggressive assignment to Class A Advanced Dunedin at just 18 last season, but Woods Richardson didn’t blink.

 

This week, he suddenly found himself in a Blue Jays jersey, running out to the mound at Rogers Centre with his walkout music playing. Woods Richardson knows this isn’t a fantasy camp, though, and he’s here for a reason.

 

“I’ve been sitting there watching Ken Giles, Matt Shoemaker and Hyun-Jin Ryu,” Woods Richardson said. “These guys pitch perfect. They come in and, yes, you want to ask questions, but just to sit back and watch their work and see what they do day to day is pretty surreal.”

 

Watching these veterans work has emphasized the difference between showing up to the field to get better in general vs. showing up with a specific plan and focus for that day. That mental sharpness, as much as any pitch sequence or curveball grip, is what’s stuck with the right-hander.

 

When he was first dealt to the Blue Jays, he heard what most folks hear when they’re headed to Toronto. “You have to see this, you have to do that.” Instead, he’s only able to see what’s out his window as the Blue Jays operate under a modified quarantine and cannot leave the stadium or hotel. For Woods Richardson, though, that’s just fine.

 

“It’s actually been pretty fun. I’m an only child, so being by myself and being in a room sitting around watching TV, that’s fun after practice for me,” he said. “Going to the stadium is an unbelievable feeling, knowing that’s my place of work and that’s the job I go to every day. It’s so beautiful to see the CN Tower over it.”

 

Every conversation you have about Woods Richardson with coaches or teammates comes back to his maturity. Even as he speaks, the joy in his voice is always balanced by an understanding that he’s here for a reason, both because of the work he’s put in and the people he’s had in his corner along the way.

 

Woods Richardson has been the kid in every clubhouse, so this isn’t new. His summer coach in Texas was Adam Dunn, who hit 462 home runs over a 14-year MLB career. He’s worked with Mike Sirotka, another Houston native, who pitched six seasons for the White Sox. Yes, the lights are bright here in Toronto, but he doesn’t seem to feel it.

 

“It’s the way I carry myself,” Woods Richardson said. “My mom has always told me I’ve been mature for my age, and I’ve always carried myself that way. I’ve always been the little big brother. I know I have that chip on my shoulder. Let me show you what this young buck can do.”

[Olerud363]

We don't cross the border from the most covid infected country to buy beer though...how is that comparable?

 

Allowing everyone to go to beer stores may add some extra cases. It's a pretty small chance but could happen. Same with restaurants, takeout, beaches.

 

There are at least 10000+ active cases in Canada anyway. If the goal is to very quickly get rid of these, then other strategies, in addition to banning the Jays are needed.

 

If we accept some things are open and we will get rid of these 10000+ cases slowly, then letting the Jays play in Toronto isn't going to change the situation much.

 

Just saying if you are for more serious measures to quickly reduce the case load, you need a lot more than just banning the Jays.