General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Laika]

I was a bit bored so I was going over just how terrible the Blue Jays have been at drafting and developing position players.

 

Excluding Kevin Pillar, the best season by WAR for a homegrown position player who entered the system from 2005-2018 is Ryan Goins' 1.3 win season in 2015.

 

 

That's followed by:

Travis Snider with 1.2 WAR in 2010

JP Arencibia 1.2 WAR in 2012

Eric Thames 0.6 WAR in 2011

Danny Jansen 0.6 WAR in 2018

JPA had a 0.6 WAR season in 2011

And that is followed by....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moises Sierra with 0.4 WAR in 35 games in 2013!

 

 

 

That's right. Moises Sierra has the 7th best season for homegrown position players not named Kevin Pillar who entered the system since 2005.

 

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[tercet]

Schimpf 2016, Marisnick 2017

[Laika]

Mastro 2012!

[Ray]

The 2016 draft looks pretty solid:

 

- T.J. Zeuch looks like a future back-end starter

- Bo Bichette is a top-20 prospect

- Cavan Biggio just had a monster season in AA and looks to have MLB potential

- J.B. Woodman was turned into 5 years of Aledmys Diaz

- Jared Carkuff was used in the Solarte trade

- Chavez Young, Josh Palacios, and even Josh Winckowski look a bit interesting

 

Zach Jackson has a 10.9 K/9 in AA. Needs to work on his command, but he also seems interesting.

[P2F]

Zach Jackson has a 10.9 K/9 in AA. Needs to work on his command, but he also seems interesting.

 

20% BB rate.

[43211234]

Schimpf 2016, Marisnick 2017

 

I was just including seasons with the Blue Jays.

 

Otherwise, JPA (0.9 in 24 games in 2015), Snider (Pirates), and Thames would all show up again.

 

There might be some other obscure ones too. To get my list I had only went through Blue Jays seasons on Fangraphs.

 

I notice you didn't list Hech but remembered Marisnick!

[Bobthe4th]

[Brenner]

 

Not that impressive for a "bounce-back year"... but he is still only 23.

[Bobthe4th]

 

Smith Jr, Urena and Pompey to follow? Unless they’ve completely given up on Pompey (it’d be quite a lot of outfielders if Smith Jr joins Davis).

 

[P2F]

Not that impressive for a "bounce-back year"... but he is still only 23.

 

For what it's worth (maybe not much), Brenner, Rowdy's second half was much better than his first half, so maybe there's something there yet.

[Bobthe4th]

For what it's worth (maybe not much), Brenner, Rowdy's second half was much better than his first half, so maybe there's something there yet.

 

Tellez was already on the 40 man too. Might as well give him a shot with Morales and Smoak both being potential expiring contract rental trade chips at next year’s deadline.

[tercet]

Davis, Smith, Tellez and Urena combined will get <= 50 AB in September right?

[Bobthe4th]

[Abomination]

Davis, Smith, Tellez and Urena combined will get <= 50 AB in September right?

 

Probably. Atkins said that they're using a different strategy this September, in rewarding guys for various things with just being around the team for the month, but likely not playing much.

[Slade]

The Mets’ rough timeline for naming a general-manager successor to Sandy Alderson is to have a list of roughly 10 to 12 candidates by the end of this month, then pare that further to perhaps a half-dozen to be interviewed and have someone in place prior to the Nov. 4-8 GM meetings.

 

At the moment, you can believe the Mets are searching wide to make sure they unearth and consider every viable candidate. Or you can believe a dysfunctional group is casting about in multiple directions without a clear vision of what they want in the job or a disciplined way to find that person.

 

As of Tuesday, the Mets had yet to ask for permission to speak to a candidate as they wait until closer to the end of the season to set up formal talks, since the majority — if not all — of their current possibilities are under contract and working, some for contenders.

 

Both Fred Wilpon and Jeff Wilpon are assembling lists or pushing forward favorites and — at the very least — so is Omar Minaya, who is currently serving as part of the three-person interim unit that replaced Alderson. Those close to Minaya insist he does not want the GM job, but it is clear that whoever does get the position is going to inherit Minaya as an executive with — at the very least — significant say in player personnel, and someone who has the ear and trust of ownership.

 

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Within that lies some of the hurdles with the ongoing search. There are executives who might be enticed to be part of the process, but are concerned about the current dynamics within the Mets — such as inheriting Minaya in a position of authority, plus perhaps the other two members of the current leadership, John Ricco and J.P. Ricciardi.

 

Cubs GM Jed Hoyer, Indians GM Mike Chernoff and Brewers GM David Stearns all have had buzz around them, but there are questions if any would leave good situations. Of the group, perhaps Stearns — from New York and in his early professional years a Mets front-office employee — would be most interested, but there is strong belief Brewers owner Mark Attanasio would not let him out of his contract to pursue the opportunity.

 

Blue Jays president and CEO Mark Shapiro was mentioned by multiple executives as a potential candidate, coming as president of baseball operations and in one scenario bringing fellow Toronto executive and former Red Sox GM Ben Cherington to be the GM. Last month, powerful Canadian radio host Bob McGowan reported tension existed between Shapiro and his bosses at Rogers Communications. Blue Jays chairman Edward Rogers tweeted that he was “very confident with the leadership and vision for the future” with Shapiro.

 

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Shapiro has two years remaining on a contract that pays him about $4 million annually, and multiple executives said they believe enough tension exists between Shapiro and his bosses that he could want to find the exit. But a few officials thought it was unlikely because Mets ownership might not want to pay what was necessary to land someone with Shapiro’s credentials and/or does not want to put someone with Shapiro’s credentials in place and potentially fully cede day-to-day operating power of baseball operations.

 

As for Cherington, he probably was mentioned by more executives than any other candidate. But the Orioles job also could come open, as could that of the Giants, and Cherington very likely would be in play in either situation. Cherington’s home base is Connecticut and, thus, the New York area would have appeal, but as a friend of his told me, “He worked for difficult people in Boston, and I think who he works for is more important than where he works, and he won’t take the GM job just to be a GM without strong assurances about how things will be run.”

 

Cherington has drawn a lot of attention because of the belief a compromise candidate will have to be found between Fred Wilpon’s desire to bring in a hire from a more traditional player development background and Jeff Wilpon’s belief that the Mets need to keep pace with what is going on in the analytic world.

 

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Cherington, Royals assistant GM Scott Sharp, Diamondbacks assistant GM Jared Porter and Dodgers VP of baseball operations Josh Byrnes are seen more in the compromise arena. As with Shapiro, Minaya is known to have a strong relationship with Byrnes. Byrnes was the runner-up to Alderson the last time the Mets hired this job, and a few people close to him believe he is less interested in the position this time around.

 

It remains possible, though, that Fred Wilpon could be insistent on a candidate who fits his desires, and he is known to be fond of Cardinals director of player development Gary Larocque. Rays special assistant Bobby Heck, Blue Jays assistant GM Tony LaCava and Brewers assistant GM Ray Montgomery also fall in the more traditional mode.

 

If the Mets end up with a more analytically inclined candidate, Astros assistant GM Mike Elias and Brewers assistant GM Matt Arnold were both mentioned by executives.

 

But like with this whole search right now, there are a lot of names floating about because the Mets are in such wide hunting and gathering mode. And so, for example, many scouts have lost jobs in recent years as the game has pushed more toward analytics, and I sense any time veteran scouts get even a hint that one of their own has a shot at a job, they are inflating the candidacy. Thus, there was a lot of buzz at one point on Heck and LaCava that I have not seen validated by true Mets interest.

 

Over the next few weeks, however, the Mets will have to pare their list, and we will gain a better view of what they truly value

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Wouldn't that be quite the shocker that Shapiro would leave the Jays and go to the Mets. I really hope none of this is true. I really hate McCowan.

 

 

https://nypost.com/2018/09/04/the-names-on-radar-in-mets-complex-intriguing-gm-search/?utm_source=reddit.com

[tercet]

Go to the shoppers drug mart at bayview/york mills, you can see/talk to McCowan in his black GMC Yukon, or his Jaguar coupe, he is their several times a week, or in his mansion on country lane that he bought from Doug Gilmour (I don't know which one it is though).

[Jimcanuck]

Go to the shoppers drug mart at bayview/york mills, you can see/talk to McCowan in his black GMC Yukon, or his Jaguar coupe, he is their several times a week, or in his mansion on country lane that he bought from Doug Gilmour (I don't know which one it is though).

 

why would anyone want to waste time that way

[tpurewal97]

Would love to bring in Hyun Jin Ryu as a free agent , his injury issues might bring down his value in free agency so it could end up being a bargain. Something like 3/36 ? 3rd year being a club option. He would essentially be the Jays best pitcher when healthy.

 

Hyun Jin Ryu

Marcus Stroman

Ryan Borucki

Aaron Sanchez

Sean Reid-Foley

[Abomination]

Would love to bring in Hyun Jin Ryu as a free agent , his injury issues might bring down his value in free agency so it could end up being a bargain. Something like 3/36 ? 3rd year being a club option. He would essentially be the Jays best pitcher when healthy.

 

Hyun Jin Ryu

Marcus Stroman

Ryan Borucki

Aaron Sanchez

Sean Reid-Foley

 

I could see giving him something like 1/15 with a pair of vesting options based on games started or something. With his injury history, 3 years guaranteed seems a little reckless.

[Jimcanuck]

I could see giving him something like 1/15 with a pair of vesting options based on games started or something. With his injury history, 3 years guaranteed seems a little reckless.

 

Rebuilding teams are dumb to sign FA for more than 2 years. Make sure you have the cash to sign FA when the time is right.

[BTS]

Toronto should pick up Ben Lively. He was recently DFA'd by the Phillies, and might be a decent 5th starter.

[tpurewal97]

Rebuilding teams are dumb to sign FA for more than 2 years. Make sure you have the cash to sign FA when the time is right.

 

 

3rd year would be a team option. So essentially it is a 2 year deal with the option to make It 3 if he performs well enough.

[glory]

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-blue-jays-president-mark-shapiro-linked-potential-mets-job-235231923.html

 

Damn this better not be true but it wouldn't shock me if it is. When Shapiro made the "we would have rebuilt two years ago" quote, combined with renovations to the stadium that Rogers still hasn't approved, I can't imagine someone with Shapiro's background putting up with that s***. He doesn't need Toronto, he'd get hired somewhere else pretty easily.

 

Rogers tampered in order to hire f'n Kenny Williams and Dan Duquette four years ago. They got really lucky that Shapiro fell on their laps. I don't even want to think about who they'd get to replace him if he left.

[P2F]

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-blue-jays-president-mark-shapiro-linked-potential-mets-job-235231923.html

 

Damn this better not be true but it wouldn't shock me if it is. When Shapiro made the "we would have rebuilt two years ago" quote, combined with renovations to the stadium that Rogers still hasn't approved, I can't imagine someone with Shapiro's background putting up with that s***. He doesn't need Toronto, he'd get hired somewhere else pretty easily.

 

Rogers tampered in order to hire f'n Kenny Williams and Dan Duquette four years ago. They got really lucky that Shapiro fell on their laps. I don't even want to think about who they'd get to replace him if he left.

 

This is posted a few posts above yours.

[glory]

This is posted a few posts above yours.

 

My bad didn’t scroll through the page.

 

s***** news either way.

[Jimcanuck]

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-blue-jays-president-mark-shapiro-linked-potential-mets-job-235231923.html

 

Damn this better not be true but it wouldn't shock me if it is. When Shapiro made the "we would have rebuilt two years ago" quote, combined with renovations to the stadium that Rogers still hasn't approved, I can't imagine someone with Shapiro's background putting up with that s***. He doesn't need Toronto, he'd get hired somewhere else pretty easily.

 

Rogers tampered in order to hire f'n Kenny Williams and Dan Duquette four years ago. They got really lucky that Shapiro fell on their laps. I don't even want to think about who they'd get to replace him if he left.

 

The 'fanbase' will rejoice.

[glory]

The 'fanbase' will rejoice.

 

Yup. The casual fan mouth breathers who pollute social media with their ignorance will celebrate.

 

This would be such a huge blow to the Jays org.

[Spanky99]

Bob McCown doesn't know s***, he's just sad his cronies are gone.

[Krylian]

Bob McCown doesn't know s***, he's just sad his cronies are gone.

 

You don't know whether it's true or not.

[Spanky99]

You don't know whether it's true or not.

 

No s***, lol. Do you, it's conjecture by Bob to get some media attention?