Chris Rowly GDT: Toronto Bluebirds vs Pittsburgh Freebooters. 1.07pm.

[Spanky99]

They touched on it in some of his links. Pretty much everyone on steroids said they felt invincible while using. It's also proven to help muscle recovery.

 

It's proven to help near everything.

[John_Havok]

For further reading check out

 

The Physics of Baseball by Prof Robert Adair (chapter 6 is about bat weight, bat speed and presents in precis form the where the up to 5% number comes from.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Physics-Baseball-Revised-Updated-Expanded/dp/0060084367

 

....only if you like math, science and unsupported theories.

 

All of which I do!

[Spanky99]

Meh... It certainly helps, everything.

 

I do a line of coke, I see the ball like a beachball, explain that. Or in a snooker tournament I can pot anything I see, same s***.

[John_Havok]

It's proven to help near everything.

 

Not eyesight... hand eye coordination...speed of decision making... etc.

[Omar]

If you find the article and show me they tested actual players batspeed per and post steroid, I'll concede defeat.

 

As I said from the get go, I agree with premise that more muscle mass should equal more bat speed. My only point of contention is the 5% you posted, and the article you posted for support itself initially said 5%, but was then revised and only came up with 3.8%, and that final number came down to multiple assumptions, including estimates on how much kinetic energy was tranferred and how much presteroid weight is muscle mass. Those assumptions would have to be 100% accurate for 3.8% to be factually correct.

 

That's my point. It's a guess. Educated... but still a guess.

 

Thats why my original post said...

 

Yup. Roids give as much as a 5% increase in bat speed as well; not all about homerun power. #Collabello

[Spanky99]

Not eyesight... hand eye coordination...speed of decision making... etc.

 

This I agree with, there's no doubt. Save for seeing meatballs in slow motion.

 

Oh wait... I'm getting coke mixed with roids, lol.

[John_Havok]

Omar, I just tried googling this and failed, but can you find anything that show's how much batted ball distance goes up with say a 2% increase in bat speed, assuming other factors remain constant?

[John_Havok]

This I agree with, there's no doubt. Save for seeing meatballs in slow motion.

 

Oh wait... I'm getting coke mixed with roids, lol.

 

Lol, now that would be a party.

[Spanky99]

Lol, now that would be a party.

 

Yikes.

[Omar]

If you find the article and show me they tested actual players batspeed per and post steroid, I'll concede defeat.

 

How is that possible?

 

Well bat speed shouldnt increase the further a player gets out of his prime years (see Barry Bonds). We have pitch velocity and homerun distance

plus factor in bat weight and factor in some coefficients.....some tall foreheads can give you batspeed.

[Spanky99]

Well bat speed shouldnt increase the further a player gets out of his prime years (see Barry Bonds). We have pitch velocity and homerun distance

plus factor in bat weight and factor in some coefficients.....some tall foreheads can give you batspeed.

 

lol... tall foreheads got me.

[John_Havok]

Well bat speed shouldnt increase the further a player gets out of his prime years (see Barry Bonds). We have pitch velocity and homerun distance

plus factor in bat weight and factor in some coefficients.....some tall foreheads can give you batspeed.

 

Pitch velocity doesn't matter tha much, but lunch angle and the air resistance would be needed for sure.

[Spanky99]

Pitch velocity doesn't matter tha much, but lunch angle and the air resistance would be needed for sure.

 

Explain San Fran's dense air, and moon shots by Bonds?!?!

[Omar]

Omar, I just tried googling this and failed, but can you find anything that show's how much batted ball distance goes up with say a 2% increase in bat speed, assuming other factors remain constant?

 

I recall that they calculated 10% more distance from 3% increase in bat speed. Sounds high but because the batter has faster reaction time, gets better wood on the ball etc. the effects are huge.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Omar

[Spanky99]

I recall that they calculated 10% more distance from 3% increase in bat speed. Sounds high but because the batter has faster reaction time, gets better wood on the bat etc. the effects are huge.

 

My example is better,

[John_Havok]

I recall that they calculated 10% more distance from 3% increase in bat speed. Sounds high but because the batter has faster reaction time, gets better wood on the bat etc. the effects are huge.

 

I wonder then (assuming the 10% is accurate), how much of an improvement someone's numbers wouod get over the course of a season?

 

Obviously he wouldn't get the 10% distance boost on every batted ball contact, only the contacts that would qualify as hard contact a a certain range of launch angles.

 

Like, did Bonds go from 30 to 73 HR because of steroids? That doesn't seem logical.

 

60 to 73? Maybe closer to the truth.

[Omar]

I wonder then (assuming the 10% is accurate), how much of an improvement someone's numbers wouod get over the course of a season?

 

Obviously he wouldn't get the 10% distance boost on every batted ball contact, only the contacts that would qualify as hard contact a a certain range of launch angles.

 

Like, did Bonds go from 30 to 73 HR because of steroids? That doesn't seem logical.

 

60 to 73? Maybe closer to the truth.

 

Perhaps somewhere in between? Perhaps the ball was juiced in the 90's.

[John_Havok]

Explain San Fran's dense air, and moon shots by Bonds?!?!

 

Well that's kinda what I'm getting at. Dude was hitting those things 400+ feet regularly so take off the 10% increase and he's still hitting a huge amount of dingers pretty much anywhere

[John_Havok]

Perhaps somewhere in between? Perhaps the ball was juiced in the 90's.

 

More variables!

[Spanky99]

Well that's kinda what I'm getting at. Dude was hitting those things 400+ feet regularly so take off the 10% increase and he's still hitting a huge amount of dingers pretty much anywhere

 

Nah... he was just hitting em.

[Omar]

Well that's kinda what I'm getting at. Dude was hitting those things 400+ feet regularly so take off the 10% increase and he's still hitting a huge amount of dingers pretty much anywhere

 

Not sure how many home runs he hit that were 400-440ft. If they all went 10% further then they would be warning track shots. Interesting exercise....a lot of variables.

 

And sometimes we just get this ( the universe unfolds as it should).....

 

[Jayday]

Why did the jays pick up Tepesch, and why is he scheduled to start against TB ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He should be the ball washer.

[glory]

Why did the jays pick up Tepesch, and why is he scheduled to start against TB ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He should be the ball washer.

 

One of the big reasons the Jays can't go on an extended winning streak is that they only have 3 mlb starters right now, and their depth is basically dumpster fire. They pretty much can't afford to lose the games Stro/Estrada/Happ start, and then have to pray when the other two SP's go. There has to be some Hellickson type scrub available via waivers that can at least eat some big league innings at an above replacement rate for the rest of the season. Better than watching Tepesch get his ass handed to him tomorrow and beyond.

[Jayday]

I'm still clinging to a strand of hope making a WC spot ..mathematically is is very possible , but with additions like Tepesch that strand is starting to fray.

[G-Snarls]

There has to be some Hellickson type scrub available via waivers that can at least eat some big league innings at an above replacement rate for the rest of the season. Better than watching Tepesch get his ass handed to him tomorrow and beyond.

 

Like Tyler Clippard...

[THANOS]

One of the big reasons the Jays can't go on an extended winning streak is that they only have 3 mlb starters right now, and their depth is basically dumpster fire. They pretty much can't afford to lose the games Stro/Estrada/Happ start, and then have to pray when the other two SP's go. There has to be some Hellickson type scrub available via waivers that can at least eat some big league innings at an above replacement rate for the rest of the season. Better than watching Tepesch get his ass handed to him tomorrow and beyond.

 

Not sure why they don't just callup Borucki.