Jays looking to replace Upton

[fatcowxlive]

I fully expected Upton to make it over Goins, but I expect the front office is worried that both Tulo and Travis

 

But Goins is barely replacement level... I didn't even think Upton had any competition, I thought it was going to be Zeke vs. Goins. Upton must have shown up to ST with a bad attitude and poor work ethic to get him canned like that. This resembles the time we DFA'd Valencia and it came out he was a cancer here and in Oakland

[Gary]

Like I said, my sources tell me Upton is a problem in the clubhouse.

[burlingtonbandit]

I fully expected Upton to make it over Goins, but I suppose the front office is worried that both Tulo and Travis are injury risks and wanted the extra infield cover.

 

Barney and Goins could both play a bit of LF I guess too.

 

Goins is a dime/dozen infielder though. Since he's been called up to the majors he is among the very worst hitters. Barney is a decent backup infielder but he can't hit enough to be an OFer.

[Orgfiller]

Goins is a dime/dozen infielder though. Since he's been called up to the majors he is among the very worst hitters. Barney is a decent backup infielder but he can't hit enough to be an OFer.

 

Also Goins is not a good outfielder at all. Goins is a poor man's Barney.

[fatcowxlive]

Also Goins is not a good outfielder at all.

 

This is another thing with me. What happens if Pillar gets injured or needs a day off? We don't have any natural CFs, Zeke was so s*** in the games he played there. I honestly think when Pompey gets activated he's going to come up to the majors

 

Also I can't believe we are still carrying Smoak. How the f*** are we carrying 3 natural 1Bs on the roster?

[burlingtonbandit]

Also Goins is not a good outfielder at all. Goins is a poor man's Barney.

 

He should never even see time in the OF..

[Bobthe4th]

But Goins is barely replacement level... I didn't even think Upton had any competition, I thought it was going to be Zeke vs. Goins. Upton must have shown up to ST with a bad attitude and poor work ethic to get him canned like that. This resembles the time we DFA'd Valencia and it came out he was a cancer here and in Oakland

 

They must think they'd need the extra infield cover to buy time to work out a trade if both Tulo and Travis were out for any length of time. Something similar happens to Bautista/Pillar and they must be more comfortable with minors depths like Coghlan and Ceciliani.

[burlingtonbandit]

They must think they'd need the extra infield cover to buy time to work out a trade if both Tulo and Travis were out for any length of time. Something similar happens to Bautista/Pillar and they must be more comfortable with minors depths like Coghlan and Ceciliani.

 

I'd say OF depth was more important. Pearce hasn't shown he can stay healthy, Bautista is really old and Pillar is going to need a couple days off.

[fatcowxlive]

They must think they'd need the extra infield cover to buy time to work out a trade if both Tulo and Travis were out for any length of time. Something similar happens to Bautista/Pillar and they must be more comfortable with minors depths like Coghlan and Ceciliani.

Then in that case f*** is Smoak doing hogging a roster spot? Pearce, Morales and Bautista can all play decent 1B. I don't understand the obsession the FO has with Smoak

[Bobthe4th]

I'd say OF depth was more important. Pearce hasn't shown he can stay healthy, Bautista is really old and Pillar is going to need a couple days off.

 

I totally agree with you - but it seems the front office doesn't.

[TheHurl]

We are likely talking about a decision that is a 2 week decision anyway. Not a huge deal in the long run.

[Bobthe4th]

Then in that case f*** is Smoak doing hogging a roster spot? Pearce, Morales and Bautista can all play decent 1B. I don't understand the obsession the FO has with Smoak

 

Smoak is going to start at 1B with Pearce at LF I assume.

 

By late May, Pearce will hopefully be at 1B and we'll have a new LF while Smoak is waived.

[Gary]

Signing Coghlan yesterday allowed the Jays to release Upton.

[burlingtonbandit]

Signing Coghlan yesterday allowed the Jays to release Upton.

 

Not really since he can't hit LHP.

[fatcowxlive]

We are likely talking about a decision that is a 2 week decision anyway. Not a huge deal in the long run.

 

I agree but I want to understand the idea behind releasing him instead of DFA'ing him. However I do anticipate a tweet coming in the next 2 weeks along the lines of "Upton showed poor work ethic throughout Spring Training"

[Gary]

Not really since he can't hit LHP.

 

Doesn't matter. Coghlan is OF depth.

[TheHurl]

I agree but I want to understand the idea behind releasing him instead of DFA'ing him.

 

Veteran favour. He might have a specific place he wants to play (Detroit with his brother again?) instead of making him wait the week of a waiver process. Not saying this is what happened for certain but it is a somewhat common practice.

[Orgfiller]

I think if anything this signals that Pearce will be getting significant OF time.

[burlingtonbandit]

Doesn't matter. Coghlan is OF depth.

 

If Pearce plays 1B vs LHP they don't have an outfielder to hit Lefties.

[Orgfiller]

If Pearce plays 1B vs LHP they don't have an outfielder to hit Lefties.

 

Either they believe that Carrera has true reverse splits (Jesus f***ing Christ) or Pearce is getting the bulk of OF starts vs LHP. Then I guess they'll do some weird s*** of Morales at first and roving DHs (Martin, Salty, Jose, JD).

[fatcowxlive]

Veteran favour. He might have a specific place he wants to play (Detroit with his brother again?) instead of making him wait the week of a waiver process. Not saying this is what happened for certain but it is a somewhat common practice.

Even if they're owed money? Doesn't claiming a DFA'd player put the new team on the hook for the rest of the contract while releasing him make us owe him the million? Unless there's an agreement to forgo money or something

[TheHurl]

I think if anything this signals that Pearce will be getting significant OF time.

 

At a minimum he's playing just about about everyday. Against mostly FB pitchers it's Smoak at 1B and Zeke on the bench. Against guys that throw less FB's it's Zeke in LF and Pearce at 1B. If Pearce gets hurt it's Coghlan up to face every LHP.

[Spanky__99]

Jays should put a claim in on Franklin, f*** Goins.

[TheHurl]

Even if they're owed money? Doesn't claiming a DFA'd player put the new team on the hook for the rest of the contract while releasing him make us owe him the million? Unless there's an agreement to forgo money or something

 

It is lost money. If he doesn't get claimed it's a horrible process for players. I know we aren't used to doing $1M favours but it happens in baseball. Again, I have no idea this is what happened but Jays have moved on and their inkling must have been that Upton would not get claimed.

[BTS]

Just go get a Ryan Goins with options, Christ.

[Laika]

Just go get a Ryan Goins with options, Christ.

 

I wonder how much of this, if any, is interpersonal stuff. The players clearly love Goins - does that matter?

[KingKat]

I wonder how much of this, if any, is interpersonal stuff. The players clearly love Goins - does that matter?

 

I'd chalk it up to some sheepishness about Travis and some very low expectations about Upton.

[TheHurl]

Jays should put a claim in on Franklin, f*** Goins.

 

You think he gets all the way through? Bad at all five of his defensive positions...but still would be a fit.

[Laika]

You think he gets all the way through?

 

Hard to see happening!

 

But, this is the time of the year where it might.

[TheHurl]

The good news is that there are plenty of disposal pieces if opportunities come up during the season.