Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[metafour]

You guys are crazy. Thew Bautista/Texas thing would blow over in a minute if he signed there. Its all a bunch of guys with huge ego's: guess what, you 'hate' each other when you are on different teams, but the feeling flips when you're playing on the same team. Its sports.

[Governator]

Johnny Damon and Jacoby Ellsbury went to New York. This rivalry stuff is for the fans. If Texas is the high bidder, he'll happily go and be welcomed with open arms by their fans and players.

 

 

I must have missed Teixiera clocking Ellsbury a few months before he signed with the Yankees?

[BTS]

I must have missed Teixiera clocking Ellsbury a few months before he signed with the Yankees?

 

You really think Bautista would leave millions on the table because he got into an altercation with one of their players one time? It must be really hard for NHL players to pick a destination in free agency. Can't go to a team if they employ players fought/hit you before.

[Spanky99]

C'mon folks.. new team, new season, new slate... none of that s*** matters.

[HERPDERP]

 

pay the man

[HERPDERP]

Johnny Damon and Jacoby Ellsbury went to New York. This rivalry stuff is for the fans. If Texas is the high bidder, he'll happily go and be welcomed with open arms by their fans and players.

 

Damon/Ellsbury never fought?

[TBJ12]

C'mon folks.. new team, new season, new slate... none of that s*** matters.

 

I disagree. Half the state likely owns this t-shirt.

 

http://d13beo3f7vpmvd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/gallery/rougned-t-shirts/roughshirts04dontmess.jpg

[Spanky99]

I disagree. Half the state likely owns this t-shirt.

 

http://d13beo3f7vpmvd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/gallery/rougned-t-shirts/roughshirts04dontmess.jpg

 

Half the state doesn't play on the team, regardless, where ever he goes, their fans will enjoy the bombs.

[jays_fever]

Im pretty sure 90%of jays fan hate Pedoria. If we were stuck with Ryan Goins im sure the fanbase would be estatic if we got Pedoria

[Spanky99]

Im pretty sure 90%of jays fan hate Pedoria. If we were stuck with Ryan Goins im sure the fanbase would be estatic if we got Pedoria

 

I'd gladly have ratface on our team...

[Governator]

You really think Bautista would leave millions on the table because he got into an altercation with one of their players one time? It must be really hard for NHL players to pick a destination in free agency. Can't go to a team if they employ players fought/hit you before.

 

C'mon folks.. new team, new season, new slate... none of that s*** matters.

 

 

 

I'd say if Bautista was chasing a $200MM deal none of this would matter but he'll likely see offers in the $40-$50MM range and if the Rangers outbid everyone, option 2 is probably going to look just as nice.

[Spanky99]

I'd say if Bautista was chasing a $200MM deal none of this would matter but he'll likely see offers in the $40-$50MM range and if the Rangers outbid everyone, option 2 is probably going to look just as nice.

 

If that's over 3 years he'll be taking the QO.

[BTS]

I wonder what the team would have been willing to give Bautista before the season when he allegedly demanded 6/180 and then cried to the media that he was being treated unfairly. Probably more than the 3/50 he's going to get.

[Abomination]

I wonder what the team would have been willing to give Bautista before the season when he allegedly demanded 6/180 and then cried to the media that he was being treated unfairly. Probably more than the 3/50 he's going to get.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see him get closer to 4/80, although I could see it being from a team that moves him to 1B.

[Governator]

I wouldn't be surprised to see him get closer to 4/80, although I could see it being from a team that moves him to 1B.

 

 

I don't think anyone wants to pay $20MM for a 40yr old Bautista when 3/60 would more than likely get the job done.

[Governator]

If that's over 3 years he'll be taking the QO.

 

 

Why? Taking 3 years for $50MM ($16.6 AAV) likely covers him to the end of his career (throw in an option year) vs 1 guaranteed year at 17.2 where he could risk further injury, further decline and a lot less future money. Even though he's had an off year it's probably his best chance to cash in. It's a super risky move to try and rebuild value when the age clock is against you.

[Stangstag]

Johnny Damon and Jacoby Ellsbury went to New York. This rivalry stuff is for the fans. If Texas is the high bidder, he'll happily go and be welcomed with open arms by their fans and players.

 

Totally agree.

[Stangstag]

If that's over 3 years he'll be taking the QO.

 

Too bad that's not how the QO works...

[Spanky99]

Why? Taking 3 years for $50MM ($16.6 AAV) likely covers him to the end of his career (throw in an option year) vs 1 guaranteed year at 17.2 where he could risk further injury, further decline and a lot less future money. Even though he's had an off year it's probably his best chance to cash in. It's a super risky move to try and rebuild value when the age clock is against you.

 

Dude, 9 months ago he wanted 30 per... if he thinks he can rebuild value this year, he just might. Just throwing it out there, we'll see by next Monday, anyhow.

[Spanky99]

Too bad that's not how the QO works...

 

Huh?

[Stangstag]

Huh?

 

You can't just go out into free agency and then find out the contract you wanted isn't there, and then go back and accept the QO.

[Spanky99]

You can't just go out into free agency and then find out the contract you wanted isn't there, and then go back and accept the QO.

 

He's a free agent right now, you don't think his agent is working the phone with every single team right now, he has a week to accept or deny the QO, I don't think you know how it works, mate?

[Governator]

Dude, 9 months ago he wanted 30 per... if he thinks he can rebuild value this year, he just might. Just throwing it out there, we'll see by next Monday, anyhow.

 

9 months ago he was considered 3x the player he ended up being lol. To be honest I kind of feel sorry for him, we squeezed every last drop of elite value out of him, that contract couldn't have gone better from the Jays perspective.

[LGBJ29]

9 months ago he was considered 3x the player he ended up being lol. To be honest I kind of feel sorry for him, we squeezed every last drop of elite value out of him, that contract couldn't have gone better from the Jays perspective.

 

he didn't help his own case though with the arrogant way he went about it to the media in ST

[metafour]

if he thinks he can rebuild value this year, he just might

 

Rebuild value? He is 37 years old next year. 37. Thirty Seven.

 

What do you even think is going to happen even if he has a better year? Some team signs him for $100+ million? No chance, period.

[Bobthe4th]

I don't look at it like this at all - nor should you. I simply want the be value for the money.

 

Disagree, we should be signing both a 1B/DH and an OF and need to fit that within the budget.

 

For example if signing Cepedes meant we'd have Smoak and whoever we can get on waivers (or other cheap option) for 1B, that's worse IMO then signing EE and having an outfield of Carrera, Pompey, Pillar, Upton and a dirt cheap signing.

[polar bear]

9 months ago he was considered 3x the player he ended up being lol. To be honest I kind of feel sorry for him, we squeezed every last drop of elite value out of him, that contract couldn't have gone better from the Jays perspective.

 

Absolutely,now hopefully we have seen the last of him.

[Spanky99]

9 months ago he was considered 3x the player he ended up being lol. To be honest I kind of feel sorry for him, we squeezed every last drop of elite value out of him, that contract couldn't have gone better from the Jays perspective.

 

That was more due to injuries, that were pretty unlucky, I believe he still has a 130 or better wRC+ bat in him. I'm sure he believes he's still elite, that's why I suggested it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks he's getting low-balled on the market, he'd be back. And yes those contracts from both him and EE were ridiculously good in value.

[polar bear]

That was more due to injuries, that were pretty unlucky, I believe he still has a 130 or better wRC+ bat in him. I'm sure he believes he's still elite, that's why I suggested it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks he's getting low-balled on the market, he'd be back. And yes those contracts from both him and EE were ridiculously good in value.

 

Dream on swanky.

[G-Snarls]

Im pretty sure 90%of jays fan hate Pedoria. If we were stuck with Ryan Goins im sure the fanbase would be estatic if we got Pedoria

 

I can't even justify why I dislike Pedroia but I do

 

And yes, I'd prpbably love to have him play 2B for us