Jays trying to trade for Jay Bruce

[BTS]

Shapiro: Unimpressed that AA traded prospects away for Price.

 

Trades Saunders and a prospect for a $12 million replacement level outfielder even though we have no money to get a pitcher and Austin Jackson is sitting at home waiting for a contract.

 

Makes sense.

 

You have no idea whether or not there was money was involved to cover part of Bruce's salary.

You have no idea who the prospect was.

You have no idea what the FO currently thinks of Saunders and the likelihood that he contributes in a meaningful way this year.

You have no idea what kind of internal work has suggested that Bruce might not be as bad as he's been over the last two years.

You have no idea whether Austin Jackson is even remotely interested in signing here.

[HERPDERP]

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Michael Saunders will also be speaking with the media today. #bluejays

[Angrioter]

You have no idea whether or not there was money was involved to cover part of Bruce's salary.

You have no idea who the prospect was.

You have no idea what the FO currently thinks of Saunders and the likelihood that he contributes in a meaningful way this year.

You have no idea what kind of internal work has suggested that Bruce might not be as bad as he's been over the last two years.

You have no idea whether Austin Jackson is even remotely interested in signing here.

 

Simple and concise. Thanks

[Angrioter]

Barry DavisVerified account

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Michael Saunders will also be speaking with the media today. #bluejays

 

retire?

[ValiantJaysFan]

You have no idea whether or not there was money was involved to cover part of Bruce's salary.

You have no idea who the prospect was.

You have no idea what the FO currently thinks of Saunders and the likelihood that he contributes in a meaningful way this year.

You have no idea what kind of internal work has suggested that Bruce might not be as bad as he's been over the last two years.

You have no idea whether Austin Jackson is even remotely interested in signing here.

 

We were getting Jay Bruce.

 

None of the other crap matters, regardless of the other details there are better options.

[AncientDiety]

Barry DavisVerified account

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Michael Saunders will also be speaking with the media today. #bluejays

 

Weird. Why have a conference over a failed trade.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Ross Atkins. Calls a press conference. Refuses to answer any questions. Bullshits us with cliches and disingenuous answers.

 

I am really starting to not like this regime and I was one of the people giving them every benefit of the doubt.

[BTS]

We were getting Jay Bruce.

 

None of the other crap matters, regardless of the other details there are better options.

 

Of course "the other crap" matters. It's all that matters. It's perfectly defensible to prefer Jay Bruce to Saunders in 2016. All it would really take to justify that position is Saunders and his dead knee running like Frank Thomas early in ST.

[HERPDERP]

ST hasn't even officially started and we have two major distractions..

[AncientDiety]

ST hasn't even officially started and we have two major distractions..

 

Let's hope it's not a sign of things to come.

[Inklink]

retire?

 

Discovered a new sprinkler.

[Rusty_Savage]

Ross Atkins. Calls a press conference. Refuses to answer any questions. Bullshits us with cliches and disingenuous answers.

 

I am really starting to not like this regime and I was one of the people giving them every benefit of the doubt.

 

The gm generally has media days during spring training and this was probably already scheduled there dum dum

[BigCecil]

ST hasn't even officially started and we have two major distractions..

 

I was expecting it with Edwin and Jose contracts ending. They have been cornerstones of any success we have had. They will all shut that talk down during the season hopefully and focus on the games on the field. I don't see the failed Saunders deal as much of a distraction. He was a non factor last year and big question mark for 2016. If he is unhealthy and Pompey flounders the Revere deal may play larger than I expected.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Of course "the other crap" matters. It's all that matters. It's perfectly defensible to prefer Jay Bruce to Saunders in 2016. All it would really take to justify that position is Saunders and his dead knee running like Frank Thomas early in ST.

 

Jay Bruce is hot garbage. I would literally prefer Michael Saunders in a wheelchair over Jay Bruce. We have Dalton Pompey. As long as has an OBP over .294 and a WAR over 0.8 he's a better option than Bruce. I don't think you understand how bad Jay Bruce is. Do you know how bad he is? oWAR of 0.2. dWAR of -0.2 and -1.7 in 2014. $12 million a year for that. I don't care how much money Cincinatti or LAA is retaining, if we are paying him league minimum it's too much. And as for the "he's better than Saunders just sitting on the DL all year" argument, if that's the case then what a horrible move trading Revere, and what an even more terrible lack of preparation by this regime by not having a viable backup plan.

 

Jay Bruce has no place on a contending baseball team, period.

[Effit]

Discovered a new sprinkler.

 

Well if there's anything to be found to cause injury, Saunders would likely be the one to find it.

[Nabru]

Ross Atkins. Calls a press conference. Refuses to answer any questions. Bullshits us with cliches and disingenuous answers.

 

I am really starting to not like this regime and I was one of the people giving them every benefit of the doubt.

 

This was literally how every press conference went with AA.

[Angrioter]

Of course "the other crap" matters. It's all that matters. It's perfectly defensible to prefer Jay Bruce to Saunders in 2016. All it would really take to justify that position is Saunders and his dead knee running like Frank Thomas early in ST.

 

Like I said last year, Saunders is over as a ballplayer. If the Angels want that cancer, then send Saunders+prospect to LA/Cinci for a bat with some upside ala Bruce.

 

Angels FO isnt smart at all

[ValiantJaysFan]

The gm generally has media days during spring training and this was probably already scheduled there dum dum

 

Why meet the media at all if all of your answers are going to be "I won't talk about that"?

[Rusty_Savage]

Why meet the media at all if all of your answers are going to be "I won't talk about that"?

 

Because it was more then likely scheduled and if Jose didn't flap his ears and open his f***ing mouth and the trade scenario never got leaked then they would have been generic spring training question. It's not that hard to understand.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Because it was more then likely scheduled and if Jose didn't flap his ears and open his f***ing mouth and the trade scenario never got leaked then they would have been generic spring training question. It's not that hard to understand.

 

No, it's not hard to understand. That doesn't make it less stupid.

[okbluejays]

So, I'm really concerned. Blair on Fan590 made the inference at the beginning of his show that they may have made the Revere move with the reality of not being able to sign Bautista and so moving him to get some pitching and then using the freed $$ to use to fill the OF spot with someone like Bruce for a year when Bautista walks and then get someone else a year later when the free-agency pool is better in 2017.... only to have their master plan implode when the deal for Bruce falls apart.

 

IF --and I say IF -- that is true:

 

We may have a very bad management team at the helm now. I really hope it's just blind speculation, but wow, if it's true, the Jays are in real trouble in these guys' hands. Giving up Revere was bad enough. But bringing in Bruce whose numbers are, well, not that hot to say the least? It's really concerning.

 

It may be all spec and nothing to it (I hope so) but, yes, not a fan of these guys right now.

[glory]

No, it's not hard to understand. That doesn't make it less stupid.

 

He is obligated to make those media sessions. He's not obligated to give the media intricate details about failed trades or contract talks.

[BTS]

Jay Bruce is hot garbage. I would literally prefer Michael Saunders in a wheelchair over Jay Bruce. We have Dalton Pompey. As long as has an OBP over .294 and a WAR over 0.8 he's a better option than Bruce. I don't think you understand how bad Jay Bruce is. Do you know how bad he is? oWAR of 0.2. dWAR of -0.2 and -1.7 in 2014. $12 million a year for that. I don't care how much money Cincinatti or LAA is retaining, if we are paying him league minimum it's too much. And as for the "he's better than Saunders just sitting on the DL all year" argument, if that's the case then what a horrible move trading Revere, and what an even more terrible lack of preparation by this regime by not having a viable backup plan.

 

Jay Bruce has no place on a contending baseball team, period.

 

Nothing is ever that black and white in baseball. Bruce was terrible in 2014 and 2015. Saunders has no meniscus in his knee and didn't play last year. It is certainly not impossible that internal analysis would lead a FO to believe that they'll get more from Jay Bruce than from Saunders. Once they've reached that conclusion, why not make the move?

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it would be acceptable to move a high end prospect from the system, but if the cost is like Travis Bergen and a couple million dollars to roll the dice on someone they have reason to like, it's silly criticize it.

[BTS]

So, I'm really concerned. Blair on Fan590 made the inference at the beginning of his show that they may have made the Revere move with the reality of not being able to sign Bautista and so moving him to get some pitching and then using the freed $$ to use to fill the OF spot with someone like Bruce for a year when Bautista walks and then get someone else a year later when the free-agency pool is better in 2017.... only to have their master plan implode when the deal for Bruce falls apart.

 

IF --and I say IF -- that is true:

 

We may have a very bad management team at the helm now. I really hope it's just blind speculation, but wow, if it's true, the Jays are in real trouble in these guys' hands. Giving up Revere was bad enough. But bringing in Bruce whose numbers are, well, not that hot to say the least? It's really concerning.

 

It may be all spec and nothing to it (I hope so) but, yes, not a fan of these guys right now.

 

Please stop listening to Jeff Blair immediately.

[ValiantJaysFan]

[RealAccountant]

Seriously why would anyone think Blair knows anything about this organization

[SAAviour]

So, I'm really concerned. Blair on Fan590 made the inference at the beginning of his show that they may have made the Revere move with the reality of not being able to sign Bautista and so moving him to get some pitching and then using the freed $$ to use to fill the OF spot with someone like Bruce for a year when Bautista walks and then get someone else a year later when the free-agency pool is better in 2017.... only to have their master plan implode when the deal for Bruce falls apart.

 

IF --and I say IF -- that is true:

 

We may have a very bad management team at the helm now. I really hope it's just blind speculation, but wow, if it's true, the Jays are in real trouble in these guys' hands. Giving up Revere was bad enough. But bringing in Bruce whose numbers are, well, not that hot to say the least? It's really concerning.

 

It may be all spec and nothing to it (I hope so) but, yes, not a fan of these guys right now.

 

Sadly Blair is just guessing, and even worse, his guesses are no better then yours or mine.

Many years ago Blair was decent. You'd think by now he would have a few legitimate sources.

[Rusty_Savage]

Please stop listening to Jeff Blair immediately.

 

I made that mistake yesterday. He said that Osuna really wants to get paid so he would rather be a closer instead of a set up man, but he doesn't want to start. Coles notes version but listening to his two min conversation (with himself) was hard

[ValiantJaysFan]

Nothing is ever that black and white in baseball. Bruce was terrible in 2014 and 2015. Saunders has no meniscus in his knee and didn't play last year. It is certainly not impossible that internal analysis would lead a FO to believe that they'll get more from Jay Bruce than from Saunders. Once they've reached that conclusion, why not make the move?

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it would be acceptable to move a high end prospect from the system, but if the cost is like Travis Bergen and a couple million dollars to roll the dice on someone they have reason to like, it's silly criticize it.

 

If we have a couple million dollars to burn even though we are supposedly right up against the budget, then I'd much rather have another bullpen arm, or another starter, and have Pompey in LF who is far better defensively. Not to mention if they're going to get another outfielder, we have no leadoff hitter, why not fill that need instead of going out and getting Jay friggin' Bruce of all people?

[okbluejays]

Please stop listening to Jeff Blair immediately.

 

LOL. Is it bad that I actually enjoy his show? Honestly, I may have misheard him or misread what he was trying to say, so, actually, ignore what I said Honestly, I was never a fan of the Revere move. From what I've heard there has been a collective sigh of relief from Jays fans over the falling apart of this Bruce deal. Either way, the moves these guys have made have really got me and a lot of other people scratching their heads.

 

Am I glad that, for the first time in all my years as a Jays fan, we actually have depth of pitching including the Bullpen? Yes.

Do I like the moves they made to have it happen? Nope.