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[Cyborg]

Lol k, s*** I've been so preoccupied with other things I haven't even perused any lists or have done any research whatsoever. Honestly the only player I know about Is Puk.

 

Puk suxxxxx.

 

And after signing period please.

[Dr. Dinger]

Why does it matter if a player signs or not? It doesn't change their talent level or how quickly they'll get to the majors. I would prefer to have the option to draft anyone in the draft, not just players who sign.

[King]

After signing period.

[Cyborg]

Why does it matter if a player signs or not? It doesn't change their talent level or how quickly they'll get to the majors. I would prefer to have the option to draft anyone in the draft, not just players who sign.

 

After signing period you also get the July 1 IFAs.

[Laika]

Why does it matter if a player signs or not? It doesn't change their talent level or how quickly they'll get to the majors.

 

sure it does

[AdamGreenwood]

Where can we see the draft order?

[Dr. Dinger]

sure it does

 

Not by much if at all. HS guys are still 4 years away and college guys are still 2ish.

[Laika]

Not by much if at all. HS guys are still 4 years away and college guys are still 2ish.

 

And unsigned HS guys have to wait three years to be drafted again, so by your own math...

 

Not to mention, sometimes the reasons a guy doesn't sign are medical or mental

[AdamGreenwood]

Not by much if at all. HS guys are still 4 years away and college guys are still 2ish.

 

And you don't see a difference between 2 and 4?

[Dr. Dinger]

And you don't see a difference between 2 and 4?

 

What? Read that again. Players drafted out of high school who don't sign go to college, and either way they don't make it to the majors until they're 22/23 on average. The same is true of college players who don't sign, they go back to school for one more year but in the long run it doesn't make much difference as to when they actually arrive in the majors. The only difference is fantasy owners get annoyed at only having college data to look at. Unless they get injured or ruined, it's all the same in the end, and that can happen in college or as a pro.

[Dr. Dinger]

And unsigned HS guys have to wait three years to be drafted again, so by your own math...

 

If you turn pro right out of high school or after a couple years of college, how does that make any difference on when you arrive in the majors? If players develop faster in rookie ball than in college, it's not by much. If you have numbers to the contrary, by all means prove me wrong.

[AdamGreenwood]

What? Read that again. Players drafted out of high school who don't sign go to college, and either way they don't make it to the majors until they're 22/23 on average. The same is true of college players who don't sign, they go back to school for one more year but in the long run it doesn't make much difference as to when they actually arrive in the majors. The only difference is fantasy owners get annoyed at only having college data to look at. Unless they get injured or ruined, it's all the same in the end, and that can happen in college or as a pro.

 

Oh yeah, my stupid.

[King]

You also get a month of pro stats on the draftees and there are always a few short season pop up guys. Espinoza and Robles were later BBDL picks in July last year but I believe are DDL draft eligible this year.

[Dr. Dinger]

So if you drafted Kris Bryant in 2010 as a Blue Jay and he signed, are you postulating that he would have debuted as a 20 year old instead of a 22 year old? That's pretty dubious. I'd rather have the chance to take a lottery ticket like that and hold onto him for three years; it's nice to at least have that option.

[Dr. Dinger]

You also get a month of pro stats on the draftees and there are always a few short season pop up guys. Espinoza and Robles were later BBDL picks in July last year but I believe are DDL draft eligible this year.

 

Devil's advocate: Doing our draft before July 1 means we get pro data on the International guys prior to drafting them next year. So now in DDL, we have at least a modicum of data on guys like Yusniel Diaz, rather than blindly drafting them as a 16 year olds, mixed in with all the college and HS kids, trying to decipher their talent level vs. the American kids, and then sitting on them for 10 months before we even see them take an AB in the DSL.

[Laika]

If you turn pro right out of high school or after a couple years of college, how does that make any difference on when you arrive in the majors? If players develop faster in rookie ball than in college, it's not by much. If you have numbers to the contrary, by all means prove me wrong.

 

Signing with an MLB team is objectively better for a player's development than not signing. I think it's common sense and requires no proof. Rather, the onus of proof would be on the person asserting that not signing has no impact on development.

 

I don't think aggregate data on development times is available anywhere.

[Laika]

So if you drafted Kris Bryant in 2010 as a Blue Jay and he signed, are you postulating that he would have debuted as a 20 year old instead of a 22 year old? That's pretty dubious. I'd rather have the chance to take a lottery ticket like that and hold onto him for three years; it's nice to at least have that option.

 

Anecdotes are useless in this conversation and you should know it. Nobody in our leagues would have drafted an 18th rounder in 2010, just like nobody in the DDL drafted Tanner Houck in 2014.

 

Being said, I find it easy to believe that Bryant, if he signed out of HS, would/could have debuted at 20 or 21, a la Correa, Fernandez, Lindor, etc etc etc.

[Dr. Dinger]

Why don't you take your anus of proof to a league you're actually in?

[Boxcar]

Dinger is so fekkin resistant to change it's incredible. 80 year old in a 30 year old's body. His argument doesn't even make sense.

[Dr. Dinger]

Dinger is so fekkin resistant to change it's incredible. 80 year old in a 30 year old's body. His argument doesn't even make sense.

 

Completely untrue, I'm just a very impatient person. I blame the millenials for perpetuating a society that demands instant gratification.

[BTS]

f***, my hellish season continues as Cole leaves his start.

[jays4life19]

Division 1 suxxxx

[SpeedyGose]

Division 1 suxxxx

 

Every team in Division 3 would be winning Division 1 except for Dinger, who would be one game back

[jays4life19]

Every team in Division 3 would be winning Division 1 except for Dinger, who would be one game back

 

Yeah. I can't really complain though since i'm in the AL central in the LOD lol

[TRM]

If you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best

[AdamGreenwood]

If you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best

 

I don't want to be the best. I just want to sneak into the playoffs and then get super fluky.

[BTS]

I'm in free fall. Moustakas out for the year. Fielder is done. Puig is awful. Lind suxxxxx. Cole has tricep pain. Everything is awful.

[GD]

I'm in free fall. Moustakas out for the year. Fielder is done. Puig is awful. Lind suxxxxx. Cole has tricep pain. Everything is awful.

 

I relate to this post

[BTS]

I relate to this post

 

Things have to turn for one of us this week! Or maybe we'll tie with terrible numbers across the board.

[Boxcar]

I'm in free fall. Moustakas out for the year. Fielder is done. Puig is awful. Lind suxxxxx. Cole has tricep pain. Everything is awful.

 

How enjoyable