BTS Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 130 spots in the middle of the draft is pretty valuable, but so are 4 ~50-150 ranked prospects. Interesting trade.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 130 spots in the middle of the draft is pretty valuable, but so are 4 ~50-150 ranked prospects. Interesting trade. I think you're drawing a bit of a false equivalency to say the least.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Willing to deal #87 + my last pick for an immediate pick (or close to immediate)
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Lol wtf are you doing Greenwood Overestimating my prospect drafting skills.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 130 spots in the middle of the draft is pretty valuable, but so are 4 ~50-150 ranked prospects. Interesting trade. There's also the opportunity cost though, less space for prospects in the summer draft. Are the remaining guys much better than what will be available then? That's debatable.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 You guys, we really need a Google doc for this.
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Yes. That little chart on the site, is bloody hard to follow.
BTS Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Go to the Draft Results page from the top menu, and everything is listed like it would be in a google doc.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Yes. That little chart on the site, is bloody hard to follow. Plus I can't scroll across it on my iPhone, and it doesn't render at all on the f***ing IE I have to use at work.
Cyborg Verified Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Go to the Draft Results page from the top menu, and everything is listed like it would be in a google doc. But it never gets updated. Doc is needed.
BTS Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 But it never gets updated. Doc is needed. It's missing two picks...
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 But it never gets updated. Doc is needed. We need to have a doc and give a couple keeners like you and GD write access so it's never out of date.
spittin Verified Member Posted January 21, 2016 Author Posted January 21, 2016 Plus I can't scroll across it on my iPhone, and it doesn't render at all on the f***ing IE I have to use at work. Sorry about that, I'm an amatuer web designer. The chart helps me track the picks even though it blows, but the draft results page is where the draft is listed pick by pick.
spittin Verified Member Posted January 21, 2016 Author Posted January 21, 2016 Spittin suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fuuuck u, rollin solo here. I'm sorry I don't have time for a Google doc today.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/images/headshot_70646.jpgJesse Winker, OF DOB: 08/17/1993 Height/Weight: 6’3” 210 lbs. Bats/Throws: L/L Drafted/Acquired: Drafted 49th overall in the 2012 MLB Draft, Olympia HS, (Orlando, FL); signed for $1 million Previous Ranking(s): #2 (Org.) #44 (Top 101) 2015 Stats: .282/.390/.433, 13 HR, 8 SB in 526 PA at Double-A Pensacola Future Tools: 65 hit, 50+ power Role: 55—Above-average corner outfielder Winker’s 2015 numbers are solid, but they’re even more impressive when you consider that he was hitting .229 and slugging .314 before June. He pairs a good approach with top-notch barrel control, giving him a chance for a plus-plus hit tool despite less-than-elite bat speed. While he hadn’t shown any difficulties handling southpaws in years past, a .654 OPS against them in 2015 highlights an area that will require constant attention as he continues on up the chain. There’s solid-average power in his bat, and while he’ll never be a 30-plus homer guy, 20-homer seasons aren’t out of the question because he has a strong lower half and just enough loft in his swing. Defensively, Winker has worked hard to get to the fringe-average point, but fringe-average is all he’s going to be. He’s an average runner who doesn’t get great jumps, and his fringe-average arm limits him to left field. He’d obviously be a whole lot more valuable at essentially every other position than first base, but when you have these kinds of on-base skills, you live with the defensive shortcomings. Bret Sayre’s Fantasy Take: Winker remains the top fantasy prospect in this system, as it’s really tough to take a pitching prospect over an outfielder who could hit .300 with 20-plus homers (it is Cincinnati after all). This off-season probably represents your last realistic buying opportunity on the 22-year-old, given that his stats were depressed by injury last year. Major League ETA: 2016
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Sorry about that, I'm an amatuer web designer. The chart helps me track the picks even though it blows, but the draft results page is where the draft is listed pick by pick. It's not your fault, it looks nice on Chrome when I'm at home. I have to use s***** ass IE at work and it's horsepoop. I used BTS' tip and now I can see the list on my iPhone, so that works.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Holy f*** lol I didn't even realize he had a .390 obp. King, every player you want me to trade you, the price starts at Winker.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Holy f*** lol I didn't even realize he had a .390 obp. King, every player you want me to trade you, the price starts at Winker. BP released their 1B Dynasty Rankings today, and they put A.J. Reed at #10
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 The last pick was at 3:30 AM Based on our current rules, and with Havok taking back-to-back picks, he could wait until 6 PM tomorrow night, without missing a pick. Fortunately, everyone has been pretty good this draft.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 BP released their 1B Dynasty Rankings today, and they put A.J. Reed at #10 I have a sub but in class, can you post the whole list? For a laugh.
BTS Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Hosmer ahead of Freeman is egregious and indefensible.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I have a sub but in class, can you post the whole list? For a laugh. It's pretty big, so I'll just do the top 20: 1) Paul Goldschmidt, Arizona Diamondbacks Not only is Goldy a slam-dunk to sit at the top of this list, but he’s so valuable right now that he gives some of the brightest and youngest stars of this generation a run for their money across other positions. In other words: 2) Anthony Rizzo, Chicago Cubs 3) Jose Abreu, Chicago White Sox 4) Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers I’m on record saying that I don’t think Rizzo is quite as good as he’s currently being made out to be, and I’m not convinced he’s either a first rounder right now, or will be one over the remainder of his career. However, the only other guy here who is right now is Cabrera, and Rizzo has more than six years on him in the right direction. Abreu, on the other hand, is nearly four years younger than Cabrera and is not enough of an upgrade this instant to trade the end of a peak for the prime of one. Abreu will spend the next four years in U.S. Cellular and his contact rate improved during his second year in the United States. That leaves him with the potential for some .300-30 homer seasons before he reaches free agency. Cabrera still has the most 2016 value of this bunch, but even though he’s one of the great hitters of this generation, he’s still approaching his decline and injury phase—which will reduce his long-term impact. 5) Joey Votto, Cincinnati Reds 6) Eric Hosmer, Kansas City Royals In many ways, these are two similar ships passing in the night. Votto had the bounce back in 2015, which buoyed his dynasty league value mostly due to the resurgence of his power. Hosmer had his strongest fantasy season to date and still has plenty of supporters who believe that more power is yet to come. However, the great thing about Hosmer’s dynasty league value is that he doesn’t need to hit 25 homers to be a consistently high-end fantasy first baseman. 7) Prince Fielder, Texas Rangers 8) Edwin Encarnacion, Toronto Blue Jays 9) Freddie Freeman, Atlanta Braves This one may be the first group that gets a “huh” from the crowd. Both Encarnacion and Freeman get plenty of support from their sides of the spectrum (E5 from the “now” contingent and Freeman from the “there’s got to be more here” crowd), yet they both sit behind Fielder, who is not held in the same esteem across many leagues. The question is why that’s the case. The question marks were valid heading into 2015, as he had come off major neck surgery, but played in 158 games (just as Fielder does) and continued his great contact rate (just as Fielder does), only with a tinge less power. Encarnacion is great and wonderful, but when the 30’s come, give me the player who has a better track record of health and batting average. Freeman, on the other hand, will mire in a terribad Braves lineup for the next couple of years and just doesn’t have the upside to surpass either 30-something slugger ahead of him. 10) A.J. Reed, Houston Astros This may seem aggressive, but as the depth on this list exposes itself to you—both in the aging and the only moderately interesting—the value of a potential top-five first baseman sticks out. That is what we’re dealing with, as Reed could be a .280-.290 hitter with 30-plus homers, and he could be in the majors as soon as the second half of 2016. In fact, he’s exciting enough that I had this commissioned from the one and only @holly_holl: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/u/images2/AJ_Reed_1.png 11) Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Angels 12) Adrian Gonzalez, Los Angeles Dodgers 13) Brandon Belt, San Francisco Giants 14) Lucas Duda, New York Mets 15) Kendrys Morales, Kansas City Royals 16) Carlos Santana, Cleveland Indians 17) Evan Gattis, Houston Astros 18) Ryan Zimmerman, Washington Nationals And here starts the glut. Pujols and Gonzalez are aging and no longer put up the impact numbers of their primes. That said, Pujols did hit 40 homers last year, and if he can stay on the field, is a threat to approach that number again (though it comes at much more of a price than it did last decade). Gonzalez has been very consistent, but the batting average has drifted down to the barely helping range and expecting more than 20-25 homers going forward isn’t a great bet. Belt and Duda fall into the same bucket here but for different reasons. Belt’s health is always a concern and his strikeout rate requires more power output than he’s shown. Duda is generally on the field, but inconsistency has plagued him and held him back from taking a step towards the next tier. Who knows what we’ll get from Morales in 2016, but the 2015 version was mostly the same one that Angels’ fans saw before his freak injury back in 2010. Of course he’s much older now though. Santana is still on the right side of 30, for now, but just can’t get enough traction with his batting average to move much higher than this. Gattis is DH-only, and unlike Prince Fielder, who knows when/if he’ll get any positional eligibility. My heart wants to put Zimmerman higher up on this list, but he’s just not a good bet to stay healthy. If you could guarantee me 135 games, I still think he could push .270 and 25 homers, but there are other wishes I’d ask for first. 19) David Ortiz, Boston Red Sox For a player we know is retiring after 2016 to rank in the top-20 on a dynasty list, he has to be pretty special, and Ortiz is just that. I’m having a sad thinking that this is the last time I’m going to get to put him on this list. 20) Josh Bell, Pittsburgh Pirates
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Hosmer ahead of Freeman is egregious and indefensible. Hosmer ahead of Encarnacion is even a larf for me. I do respect how bullish he is on Reed, though. At least SOMEONE is aware of his massive fantasy potential.
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Abreu should be like, 6th. Greg Bird not even making the list is egregious. Not as egregious as forgetting Chris Davis though. *slips out of thread before Boxy notices*
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Abreu should be like, 6th. *slips out of thread before Boxy notices* Hi buddy!
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Abreu should be like, 6th. *slips out of thread before Boxy notices* I guess that depends on your format. In OBP formats, Votto obviously gets a huge boost. I am quite high on Abreu, though.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Edwin behind Prince and Hos lmfao
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Also, Josh Bell but no Greg Bird who should be easy top 10.
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