Jose Bautista calls out Colin Cowherd for being a fucking dick.

[BTS]

Welp, I was planning on trolling Ang ITT, but I see now that it won't be possible to troll him without also trolling a bunch of other people, so I'll just bail out.

[Terminator]

The point he was arguing was that someone said that baseball was a complex sport. He's not wrong it's pretty simple

 

That in itself isn't a bad argument. But using Dominicans as evidence for that is just stupid.

 

Comparing Bill Belichek to Domincan players is a laughable comparison. I could make just as dumb of a comparison by comparing Andrew Friedman to Frank Gore, who is mentally handicapped and can't even read.

[TwistedLogic]

Welp, I was planning on trolling Ang ITT, but I see now that it won't be possible to troll him without also trolling a bunch of other people, so I'll just bail out.

 

Oops.

[TwistedLogic]

[TwistedLogic]

Part of that second-last tweet might be debatable.

[admin]

Well that's five of them.

[Atothe]

Well that's five of them.

 

I demand you ban Bts for outting himself as Cowherd

[o2cui2i]

There have been some pretty stupid sprinters. Ben Johnson had the brain capacity of a 10 year old.

 

Ben Johnson Pantyhose, guaranteed not to run for two years.

 

He was definitely dumb enough to get caught.

 

 

 

In soccer David Beckham is as thick as a brick. The thing is that he knows it and can even joke about it. His wife is the smart one who is driving both their success in business. He was an amazing player because once he stepped on the field he KNEW exactly what he was supposed to do because he practiced harder than everyone around him.

 

It seems easier to take stupid when the person in question understands that they are...

 

stupid is completely intolerable from people who think they are smarter than everyone else but they are just barely smart enough to be f***ing dangerous.

 

players from lower income areas/countries can become amazing athletes because they are focused on the thing that gives them the biggest chance to get a better life.

[Frag]

Colin Cowherd is dumn.

[Deadpool]

stupid is completely intolerable from people who think they are smarter than everyone else but they are just barely smart enough to be f***ing dangerous.

 

http://stopabusecampaign.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/donald-trump.jpg

 

How did that picture get there?

[Angrioter]

This weekend, Pedro Martínez will become the second player from the Dominican Republic inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

 

This week, ESPN radio host Colin Cowherd provided a reminder of one of the more significant challenges that Martínez, his fellow Dominicans and all foreign-born Latinos have had to encounter in pursuit of their big league dreams: The casual racism amongst members of the English-language sporting press.

 

Cowherd demonstrated this on his radio program Thursday in defending Miami Marlins’ Dan Jennings from those critical of the job Jennings has been doing as Marlins manager.

 

To those who deride the Marlins for hiring a manager with no managerial experience at any level of professional baseball, Cowherd says you got it wrong.

 

Where most sports fans see a complex sport, Cowherd, who is evidently smarter than the rest of us (in his own mind), states baseball is not “too complex.” And he was ready with his proof too.

 

“I’ve never bought into that, ‘Baseball is too complex,’ ” Cowherd proclaimed.

 

“A third of the sport is from the Dominican Republic,” Cowherd explained.

 

And there you have it. Colin Cowherd’s proof: Dominicans play it.

 

Cowherd’s supporting evidence for his theorem about the lack of complexity in baseball further denigrated the intelligence of Dominicans.

 

“The Dominican Republic has not been known in my lifetime as having world class academic abilities,” Cowherd said. “A lot of those kids come from rough backgrounds and have not had opportunities academically that other kids from other countries have.”

 

Evidently, someone alerted Cowherd that only 4 percent of all major leaguers hold college degrees, so his standard of disproving the complexity of baseball by using Dominicans’ lack of “world class academic abilities” proves a flawed measure.

 

Language Matters

 

The stereotype that Latino ballplayers are dumb is not new.

 

Part of it arises from the different ability levels of Latino players to communicate in what is for them a second language, English. However, finding it difficult to acquire bilingual skills is not a sign of a lack of intelligence, but involves active learning and attempting to adapt to living in a new society all the while trying to make it to the major leagues (and stay there).

 

Ironically, many of the sportswriters and broadcasters who have poked fun at the accents and halting English of Latino players do not themselves speak a second language.

 

The expectation is extremely one-sided, and has been for generations.

 

This is what numerous Latino players and baseball officials from the Spanish-speaking Caribbean have reminded me over the years in venting their frustrations about how the English-language press depicts them. When North Americans have come down to play in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic or Venezuela (and Cuba), they are not derided for their inability to speak Spanish fluently.

 

Instead, Latino players, fans, and the press appreciate the effort, knowing that ultimately it is their performance between the white lines that can result in pennants being won.

 

Yet, the same is not the case when Latinos have ventured north. And the sporting press has long been at the center of it: printing the comments of Latino players phonetically, describing them as moody when they get frustrated in dealing with the press or their unfamiliarity with American culture, or in attempting to Anglicize the Latino player’s names — less we forget Bob Clemente.

 

Still in Search of Respect

 

It is ironic that Cowherd’s racist comment about Dominicans comes as Pedro Martínez is preparing for his induction speech on Sunday.

 

It was Pedro who staunchly defended his fellow Dominican Sammy Sosa in 2003 after his corked bat incident when the Associated Press published Sosa’s post-game comments phonetically.

 

Pedro understood the stakes and the subtext of publishing Sosa’s comments in that manner. He organized his fellow Latino players and spurred the Major League Baseball Players Association into action. No more interviews with Latino players without translators provided; that was one of their threats if the AP did not apologize.

 

Martinez and the MLBPA won the apology, but the perception lingers.

 

Pedro Martínez is no dummy; neither are his fellow Dominicans.

 

Sure, many of them come from different, much more economically disadvantaged circumstances than what typical US-born big leaguers have enjoyed.

 

But that is not about intelligence.

 

What often gets lost in translation in the Latino players’ interactions with the press is that the purpose of language is communication. Yet, too often the English-language press has focused on how a player sounded versus what he was attempting to communicate.

 

The sleight of pen and mind trick performed by the sporting press in focusing on accent, in presenting their words phonetically, in making them appear unintelligent or unintelligible is what Dominicans and other Latino players find disrespectful.

 

In Cowherd’s case Thursday, there was no subtlety or sleight of hand. He openly mouthed a racist perception of an entire nation to prove that his views on race and intelligence are about as complex as he thinks baseball is.

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-07-24/colin-cowherd-espn-radio-dominican-republic-stereotypes-pedro-martinez-hall-of-fame

[AdamGreenwood]

I like how he cites college degree, because we all know those great scholars in the NBA and NFL work so hard to deserve those degrees.

[o2cui2i]

http://stopabusecampaign.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/donald-trump.jpg

 

How did that picture get there?

 

is that @TheDonald puckering up to kiss his billions $

[IBTrini]

Another difference. You all love and respect me. The heavy and offensive jokes just shown your love for me. I have at least 9 years with you all, for that reason, I think your jokes is just to make me happy (BTS and Boxy really hate me, f*** them both)

Congrats on being around for 9 years!!!

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone hates you and if some do, then just let them know you don't give a damn.

 

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[BTS]

I legit hate ang. Ang: I hate you.

[Angrioter]

I legit hate ang. Ang: I hate you.

 

So do I. you're gross, perra!!

 

[BigCecil]

There is nothing I hate worst then this f***ing fake out rage s***.

 

Ang. People say s*** to you constantly on this site. A lot worst then he said. It never bothered you because you know it's a joke. I'm from Cape Breton and get the same stuff. Newfies get it worst.

 

Or if you think he's not joking, try and think what he means without assuming he's racist.

 

Baseball as a whole has the smartest athletes, I believe. For 2 reasons. First they spend longer in college then any other sport and two they spend longer in the minors then any other sport and play in the league longer. To me, hockey players are some of the dumbest, mainly because so many of them hardly have high school. Dominicans as a whole don't spend the time in college like many ball players, but do spend the time in the minors. To me it puts them ahead of hockey players but below so many of the ball players on an educational level.

 

Fake outrage? whatever. Dumb Newfie

[BigCecil]

There have been some pretty stupid sprinters. Ben Johnson had the brain capacity of a 10 year old.

 

still has

[Spanky99]

So has Cowherd explained his point to Bautista, or offered an apology to Dominicans yet, I know the MLB has told him too, but...?

[Caper]

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-07-24/colin-cowherd-espn-radio-dominican-republic-stereotypes-pedro-martinez-hall-of-fame

 

 

 

What a load of f***ing ********. Might as well have blamed him for the holocaust while we are at it.

[Caper]

The irony is, how often in todays culture do you hear "dumb Americans" thrown around? Yet no one bats an eye... Someone calls Domincans dumb and suddenly the ol' phony outrage machine ramps up.

[BigCecil]

The irony is, how often in todays culture do you hear "dumb Americans" thrown around? Yet no one bats an eye... Someone calls Domincans dumb and suddenly the ol' phony outrage machine ramps up.

 

Its not productive or proper to call Americans, Dominicans or Newfies dumb(I was just f***ing with you on that. I'm originally from NS too). Its especially not right for people of supposed influence who speak to millions of people, because it perpetuates stereotypes. When Don Imus called the Rutgers girls bball team "nappy-headed hos" people were rightly offended.

 

I actually don't hear people of influence or leaders calling Americans dumb, at least not openly. It would be equally as ignorant. Cowherd's comments were not well chosen and Bautista's statement in response to his clarification was measured and appropriate.

 

If Dominicans want to poke fun or judge their education system etc that's one thing, but let them do it.

[o2cui2i]

Its not productive or proper to call Americans, Dominicans or Newfies dumb(I was just f***ing with you on that. I'm originally from NS too). Its especially not right for people of supposed influence who speak to millions of people, because it perpetuates stereotypes. When Don Imus called the Rutgers girls bball team "nappy-headed hos" people were rightly offended.

 

I actually don't hear people of influence or leaders calling Americans dumb, at least not openly. It would be equally as ignorant. Cowherd's comments were not well chosen and Bautista's statement in response to his clarification was measured and appropriate.

 

If Dominicans want to poke fun or judge their education system etc that's one thing, but let them do it.

 

I'm not sure, but I think Bill Orielly calls people pinheads every show. He points out why they are stupid first and then calls them stupid. That is quite different though from calling a group, culture or country stupid.

[Boxcar]

Wow, I was expecting what he said to include something about f***ing goats. Jeeze, pretty ignorant of him but who gives a s***? He has the right to say what he wants, just like you have the right to call him an ******* but this fake outrage is so lame.

[Statman]

Non-story.

[Spanky99]

Wow, I was expecting what he said to include something about f***ing goats. Jeeze, pretty ignorant of him but who gives a s***? He has the right to say what he wants, just like you have the right to call him an ******* but this fake outrage is so lame.

 

C'mon man, don't be a crankass, Crankass!

[Molitor]

I do think he's right that baseball isn't complex but his reasons for believing that are stupid. I mean, if you compare to football, there are some huge uneducated morons who score <10 on the Wonderlic and they still can memorize whole NFL playbooks and not f*** it up that much. When you dedicate your whole life to a sport with set rules, pretty much anyone can understand how to play. Baseball is even simpler for a player because there is hardly any true decision making when you play. 95%+ of the time, there is one correct play and you go your whole life repeating that and it's as automatic as can be.

 

From a manager perspective, aside from playing match-ups and defensive positioning (both which are better handled by the analytics team anyway and the manager is just the messenger), there's not a heck of a lot beyond sending out your best players as often as you can. I think the best manager in baseball is one who works effectively with the analytics team and employ's strategy based on that (and relying less on hunch and instinct), but also has really strong soft skills to manage ego's, give bad news, motivate the team, etc. I'm not sure that's still a good idea to put a rookie manager right into the MLB like the Marlins, but if there's ever a sport you could get away with that, it's baseball.

Edited July 25, 2015 by Molitor

[Caper]

Wow, I was expecting what he said to include something about f***ing goats. Jeeze, pretty ignorant of him but who gives a s***? He has the right to say what he wants, just like you have the right to call him an ******* but this fake outrage is so lame.

 

 

 

It's the Internet lynch mob that's who. It's a sad realization that this will go on every single week forever now with social media... This constant nonstop lets get him mentality.... Let's assume the worst, let's go after their job.... and then let's go after the next guy...every f***ing day, forever.

[BigCecil]

Wow, I was expecting what he said to include something about f***ing goats. Jeeze, pretty ignorant of him but who gives a s***? He has the right to say what he wants, just like you have the right to call him an ******* but this fake outrage is so lame.

 

Not the point. A sports entertainment broadcaster beaking off about the mental capacity of Dominican people is stupid. Sure he can say it. He can say pretty much anything he wants. Free countries. He can and should also be called out for it when he is being a dickhead. Dismissing it as "fake outrage" marginalizes legitimate concerns being raised...Bautista's response was measured and reasonable.