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TheHurl Toronto Blue Jays

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Why add a 4 WAR starter when you can add a 1.5 WAR right?

 

Where are you getting 4 win starters for the rest of the season...and a 1.5 win reliever (although I suppose Chapman projects to over 1)

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Not sure why there's AA hate on this. I would be far more excited over a great starter then a great closer. Our rotation has been a bigger problem then the BP. Ideal world we get both, but an impact starter will make a bigger difference to the team.
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Clippard's been off all year...I'd be wary.

 

the walks are up a bit, the velocity is barely down. Issue would be he's an extreme flyball pitcher in a hitters park. His FB's to the outfield are up over 50% this year.

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Get a starter and move Sanchize to the bullpen. Fixes two weak spots in one transaction (assuming Sanchez is a good reliever).

 

How does removing our #2 starter (sometimes our best starter) from the rotation help anything? Sanchez and Buehrle are the only two good starters we have. Want to help the rotation, get someone to add to them. Right now the problem with the rotation is when Dickey, Hutchinson and the #5 spot comes up. Taking Sanchez out of the rotation helps with nothing. I don't understand why they won't give Norris a second look. If he is any good, then you can get another starter and put Dickey into a long relief role, because he and Hutch are both useless, but Hutch is very young and could improve. Dickey is bad and will only get worse.

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How does removing our #2 starter (sometimes our best starter) from the rotation help anything? Sanchez and Buehrle are the only two good starters we have. Want to help the rotation, get someone to add to them. Right now the problem with the rotation is when Dickey, Hutchinson and the #5 spot comes up. Taking Sanchez out of the rotation helps with nothing. I don't understand why they won't give Norris a second look. If he is any good, then you can get another starter and put Dickey into a long relief role, because he and Hutch are both useless, but Hutch is very young and could improve. Dickey is bad and will only get worse.

 

Drew Hutchison 6-1...that's all-star game start worthy winning percentage, dude.

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How does removing our #2 starter (sometimes our best starter) from the rotation help anything?

 

Well, it almost guarantees that someone better is starting instead, for one.

Brownie19 New Hampshire Fisher Cats

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How does removing our #2 starter (sometimes our best starter) from the rotation help anything? Sanchez and Buehrle are the only two good starters we have. Want to help the rotation, get someone to add to them. Right now the problem with the rotation is when Dickey, Hutchinson and the #5 spot comes up. Taking Sanchez out of the rotation helps with nothing. I don't understand why they won't give Norris a second look. If he is any good, then you can get another starter and put Dickey into a long relief role, because he and Hutch are both useless, but Hutch is very young and could improve. Dickey is bad and will only get worse.

 

If Sanchez is our #2 - we might as well shut up shop and go home.

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Where are you getting 4 win starters for the rest of the season...and a 1.5 win reliever (although I suppose Chapman projects to over 1)

 

I was referring to their WAR over a full season. I suppose for accuracy, I should have said "Why acquire a 2.25 WAR starter, when you could get a 0.843 WAR reliever instead?"

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Incorrect. Sanchez is a good pitcher

 

Of course he is. And JP Arencibia is a good catcher.

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KingKat

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Change the subject when you know you're wrong

 

lol

 

He doesn't think he's wrong (nor should he IMO but that's not my point). He definitely thinks he's right. That much should be clear.

theblujay Dunedin Blue Jays

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lol

 

He doesn't think he's wrong (nor should he IMO but that's not my point). He definitely thinks he's right. That much should be clear.

 

He doesn't have any FACTS about Sanchez like I do (XFIP???) so he spouts nonsense about former jays players he also hated even though he claims he's a fan.

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He doesn't have any FACTS about Sanchez like I do (XFIP???) so he spouts nonsense about former jays players he also hated even though he claims he's a fan.

 

One stat doesn't mean that you have ALL the facts on your side. That being said, I don't think anyone should be too categorical one way or another about a young player.

theblujay Dunedin Blue Jays

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Boy, he sure loves xFIP when he thinks it proves him right. Hates it otherwise, though!

 

The "gang" loves to use FIP for Sanchez instead of XFIP since he's a GB pitcher. It's fits the narrative better and you need some reason to hate him after all.

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The "gang" loves to use FIP for Sanchez instead of XFIP since he's a GB pitcher. It's fits the narrative better and you need some reason to hate him after all.

 

xFIP: 4.56 SIERA: 4.88

 

sorry, you're right. That's pretty good! Funny thing here is that if he had a 5% HR/FB and his xFIP was through the roof, FIP would then be the stat to use.

theblujay Dunedin Blue Jays

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xFIP: 4.56 SIERA: 4.88

 

sorry, you're right. That's pretty good! Funny thing here is that if he had a 5% HR/FB and his xFIP was through the roof, FIP would then be the stat to use.

But his xFIP isn't through the roof and he's been unlucky with fly balls.

 

He's got the "stuff" and ground ball abilities to be a great starter if he can improve his command. I'm on board, you're clearly not

JFD FCL Blue Jays

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Blue Jays' bullpen has 3rd ranked SIERA in the entire league.

 

and worst SV% in the entire league. late inning relief is a mess on this team.

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Can't make another team trade a starter if they don't want to.

 

Can I get this post blown up in bolded 72 font?

 

It's like no one understands this.

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