General Jays Discussion 2015

[GD]

 

DeAndre Jordan got the Mavs like

[SAAviour]

I was interested in knowing what the Blue Jays record was with Ryan Goins starting at SS or 2B. I tabulated some unexpected results:

 

Jose Reyes at SS and Travis at 2B: Blue Jays team record of 11 WINS and 14 LOSSES

Ryan Goins at 2nd base: Blue Jays team record of 17 WINS AND 10 LOSSES

Devon Travis at 2nd base: Blue Jays team record of 19 WINS AND 28 LOSSES

Jose Reyes at SS From May 25 to June 24 (while Travis was disabled): Blue Jays team record of 19 WINS and 9 LOSSES (Ryan Goins was at 2B for 24 of these games).

 

Devon Travis was playing hurt for part of the time, however, the team record before he was hurt and after he returned is still well under 0.500.

 

I realize that I will get some nasty comments, however, the numbers make me wonder if the problem is really Jose Reyes? Is there a problem with Devon Travis' fielding range or is it possible that he is getting a poor jump on ground balls?

 

The wins and losses indicate that the Blue Jays have the best chance of winning with Reyes at SS and Goins at 2B.

 

I'm speechless.

[nextyear]

I think people quickly forget past events. When Reyes returned from the disabled list on May 25th he provided the Blue Jays with a spark and soon after, starting on June 2nd, the Blue Jays went on a 11 straight win streak. In spite of all the favourable FWAR numbers, Travis' return hasn't provided a similar spark so I think it is legitimate to wonder why.

 

Sometimes in the chemical industry it is easy to imagine that adding a certain ingredient to a chemical formula will produce a favourable result. When the opposite occurs then it is necessary to wonder why. Such is the case with the Blue Jays, Travis' return was supposed to make a the Blue Jays even better and it hasn't.

 

If fans want a winning ball team then it would be best to go back to what was working. The current lineup isn't. However, it is just baseball and the sun will rise tomorrow no matter how many ball games the Blue Jays lose.

[BTS]

I think people quickly forget past events. When Reyes returned from the disabled list on May 25th he provided the Blue Jays with a spark and soon after, starting on June 2nd, the Blue Jays went on a 11 straight win streak. In spite of all the favourable FWAR numbers, Travis' return hasn't provided a similar spark so I think it is legitimate to wonder why.

 

Sometimes in the chemical industry it is easy to imagine that adding a certain ingredient to a chemical formula will produce a favourable result. When the opposite occurs then it is necessary to wonder why. Such is the case with the Blue Jays, Travis' return was supposed to make a the Blue Jays even better and it hasn't.

 

If fans want a winning ball team then it would be best to go back to what was working. The current lineup isn't. However, it is just baseball and the sun will rise tomorrow no matter how many ball games the Blue Jays lose.

 

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[nextyear]

Devon Travis could provide the type of trade bait that could bring a good young starting pitcher to the Blue Jays. The Montreal Expos got Pedro Martinez for Delindo DeShields in 1994.

 

Although I think Ryan Goins is greatly underrated, he probably won't get much in return in a trade. However, with the right teammates, which I think already exist on the Blue Jays, I think he can help the current Blue Jays team win.

 

Well that is it for now. I am going to sleep and will read all the nasty replies tomorrow (or maybe not )

[Spanky99]

Mods

 

Bwahahaha....this isn't real life is it?

[RealAccountant]

Devon Travis could provide the type of trade bait that could bring a good young starting pitcher to the Blue Jays. The Montreal Expos got Pedro Martinez for Delindo DeShields in 1994.

 

Although I think Ryan Goins is greatly underrated, he probably won't get much in return in a trade. However, with the right teammates, which I think already exist on the Blue Jays, I think he can help the current Blue Jays team win.

 

Well that is it for now. I am going to sleep and will read all the nasty replies tomorrow (or maybe not )

 

Honestly I'd trade any position player for a good starter. I think Starters are way more important to a teams success. Travis is great, but if a deal came up for a young controllable starters with plus stuff, I would do it. Same with even Donaldson. I would trade Donaldson for a Chris Archer for example. Not that Archer is available or the Rays need a 3B. The point is Starting Pitching >>>>>> Everything else.

 

Would I trade Travis or Donaldson for a Kluber or Sale, in a heartbeat.

 

I wouldn't do it for an overpriced veteran though, or a rental. Its time to rebuild this club from the pitching out.

[SAAviour]

J

Honestly I'd trade any position player for a good starter. I think Starters are way more important to a teams success. Travis is great, but if a deal came up for a young controllable starters with plus stuff, I would do it. Same with even Donaldson. I would trade Donaldson for a Chris Archer for example. Not that Archer is available or the Rays need a 3B. The point is Starting Pitching >>>>>> Everything else.

 

Would I trade Travis or Donaldson for a Kluber or Sale, in a heartbeat.

 

I wouldn't do it for an overpriced veteran though, or a rental. Its time to rebuild this club from the pitching out.

 

Donaldson for Sale, and Sales first pitch as a jay blows his shoulder.

[RealAccountant]

I was never saying that Donaldson will be traded for Sale. My point is that I would take an elite starter over a elite position player 100% of the time. Same with a good starter over a good position player. Indians are a team with a surplus of top of the rotation starters, but its looking like long term they could use offense. Too bad they already have an awesome 2B

[Orgfiller]

Lol @ starting pitching >>> anything else. This is how franchises are destroyed.

[Stangstag]

Honestly I'd trade any position player for a good starter. I think Starters are way more important to a teams success. Travis is great, but if a deal came up for a young controllable starters with plus stuff, I would do it. Same with even Donaldson. I would trade Donaldson for a Chris Archer for example. Not that Archer is available or the Rays need a 3B. The point is Starting Pitching >>>>>> Everything else.

 

Would I trade Travis or Donaldson for a Kluber or Sale, in a heartbeat.

 

I wouldn't do it for an overpriced veteran though, or a rental. Its time to rebuild this club from the pitching out.

 

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[Orgfiller]

And Donaldson could go flying into the stands tomorrow to catch a foul ball and tear every ligament in his arm. Injuries can happen at any time to anyone.

 

Yeah, but pitchers are at a much higher risk since their job involves doing unnatural things with your arm in order to throw projectiles at high velocities. Specially guys like Sale who seems like a miracle that he hasn't completely shredded his elbow yet.

[Stangstag]

Yeah, but pitchers are at a much higher risk since their job involves doing unnatural things with your arm in order to throw projectiles at high velocities. Specially guys like Sale who seems like a miracle that he hasn't completely shredded his elbow yet.

 

Not to mention starting pitchers play 1 out of every 5 games, while position players play everyday.

[thatoneguy]

I think people quickly forget past events. When Reyes returned from the disabled list on May 25th he provided the Blue Jays with a spark and soon after, starting on June 2nd, the Blue Jays went on a 11 straight win streak. In spite of all the favourable FWAR numbers, Travis' return hasn't provided a similar spark so I think it is legitimate to wonder why.

 

Sometimes in the chemical industry it is easy to imagine that adding a certain ingredient to a chemical formula will produce a favourable result. When the opposite occurs then it is necessary to wonder why. Such is the case with the Blue Jays, Travis' return was supposed to make a the Blue Jays even better and it hasn't.

 

If fans want a winning ball team then it would be best to go back to what was working. The current lineup isn't. However, it is just baseball and the sun will rise tomorrow no matter how many ball games the Blue Jays lose.

 

Devon Travis could provide the type of trade bait that could bring a good young starting pitcher to the Blue Jays. The Montreal Expos got Pedro Martinez for Delindo DeShields in 1994.

 

Although I think Ryan Goins is greatly underrated, he probably won't get much in return in a trade. However, with the right teammates, which I think already exist on the Blue Jays, I think he can help the current Blue Jays team win.

 

Well that is it for now. I am going to sleep and will read all the nasty replies tomorrow (or maybe not )

 

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[nextyear]

Yes Devon Travis is the problem. Lets get rid of potential 5 win Travis and replace him with replacement level Goins and we become a much better Baseball team! I mean we went on that 11 game winning streak without him. Hes killing this team if you dive into those advanced numbers you came up with!

 

 

Exactly. I realize you are being sarcastic, however, statistics can often lead to incorrect conclusions.

 

The equation for fWAR is WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs + Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win) http://www.fangraphs.com/library/war/war-position-players/

 

In statistical analysis another way to determine the effect of a variable is to change that variable and observe the effect. It is better to determine Devon Travis' value to the Blue Jays by considering actual win/loss data with and without Devon Travis than relying on fWAR.

 

When considering a new prescription drug would it be better to determine the value of a drug by a scientific equation (analogous to fWAR in baseball) or by actual trials on people (analogous to the actual win-loss record that is available)?

[BTS]

Honestly I'd trade any position player for a good starter. I think Starters are way more important to a teams success. Travis is great, but if a deal came up for a young controllable starters with plus stuff, I would do it. Same with even Donaldson. I would trade Donaldson for a Chris Archer for example. Not that Archer is available or the Rays need a 3B. The point is Starting Pitching >>>>>> Everything else.

 

Would I trade Travis or Donaldson for a Kluber or Sale, in a heartbeat.

 

I wouldn't do it for an overpriced veteran though, or a rental. Its time to rebuild this club from the pitching out.

 

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[BTS]

Exactly. I realize you are being sarcastic, however, statistics can often lead to incorrect conclusions.

 

The equation for fWAR is WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs + Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment +Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win) http://www.fangraphs.com/library/war/war-position-players/

 

In statistical analysis another way to determine the effect of a variable is to change that variable and observe the effect. It is better to determine Devon Travis' value to the Blue Jays by considering actual win/loss data with and without Devon Travis than relying on fWAR.

 

When considering a new prescription drug would it be better to determine the value of a drug by a scientific equation (analogous to fWAR in baseball) or by actual trials on people (analogous to the actual win-loss record that is available)?

 

There's a decent chance that this is the worst post in forum history.

[BTS]

The mods have already said they won't do anything about RA and nextyear. Most people have them on ignore.

 

I don't recall seeing a nextyear post until yesterday. Horrifying.

[LTR]

There's a decent chance that this is the worst post in forum history.

 

Bad post or not, no reason to scream "mods". Sure, I'd ban RA and a few others out of spite if I was a mod but I'm probably not a reasonable man.

[Stangstag]

So, this USED TO be a nice forum with great, intelligent baseball discussion.

 

Not sure what happened over the past year or so

[Stangstag]

Bad post or not, no reason to scream "mods". Sure, I'd ban RA and a few others out of spite if I was a mod but I'm probably not a reasonable man.

 

It was just a joke about how terrible the post was

[Daniel Labude]

Bad post or not, no reason to scream "mods". Sure, I'd ban RA and a few others out of spite if I was a mod but I'm probably not a reasonable man.

 

At least you are honest

[LTR]

If you want to get super honest, this board would be 10x cleaner with the following users perm banned:

 

jaysfan2014

realaccountant

Boxcar

CHP and his various accounts (SexyNewForum, JohnnyLongHorn, etc.)

Spanky

gruber92

on the fence about BTS

maybe me

[Stangstag]

If you want to get super honest, this board would be 10x cleaner with the following users perm banned:

 

jaysfan2014

realaccountant

Boxcar

CHP and his various accounts (SexyNewForum, JohnnyLongHorn, etc.)

Spanky

gruber92

on the fence about BTS

maybe me

 

Boxcar, spanky, BtS, and Gruber can stay. You're alright too

[BTS]

If you want to get super honest, this board would be 10x cleaner with the following users perm banned:

 

jaysfan2014

realaccountant

Boxcar

CHP and his various accounts (SexyNewForum, JohnnyLongHorn, etc.)

Spanky

gruber92

on the fence about BTS

maybe me

 

I post maybe 10 times a week in the main forum and have never been banned. I'm definitely holding this forum back from reaching its full potential.

[Atothe]

LTR = HERP DERP jr

[LTR]

I don't post in the main forum that often and only started having issues with your posts once it was clear that you are both slightly dumb and an *******.

 

You've been on my IL for quite awhile so I must have really cut you deep. Sorry about that.

 

"You've been on my IL for quite awhile" - Join date: July 2015. Odds are you are CHP or?

 

Boxcar, spanky, BtS, and Gruber can stay. You're alright too

 

I change my mind about Gruber, deep down he's an invested Jays fan, like me. Spanky and boxcar spend half their posts s*** disturbing.

 

I post maybe 10 times a week in the main forum and have never been banned. I'm definitely holding this forum back from reaching its full potential.

 

A lot of your posts seem like high-level trolling to me.

[Stangstag]

BTS doesn't really troll, he mostly mocks the idiots

[RealAccountant]

If you want to get super honest, this board would be 10x cleaner with the following users perm banned:

 

jaysfan2014

realaccountant

Boxcar

CHP and his various accounts (SexyNewForum, JohnnyLongHorn, etc.)

Spanky

gruber92

on the fence about BTS

maybe me

 

I'm sorry you feel this way I will try to make more useful posts and pretend everything is perfect with the Jays.

[GD]

BTS is probably the worst troll this forum has got, good thing he got shamed out for being a Rays fan.