GDT(3/4): Your Toronto Blue Jays @ Huston Astros - Estrada vs. Feldman - 7:10 PM ET

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The ship really is sinking I agree with GD on this one The pen is not the problem, Wtf!

 

But without a trade, selling the farm how do you improve the starting pitching? Fire the pitching coach?

 

I can't remember in what thread but I gave a few names that are considered to be above average coaches in the college ranks around to a article of top coaches.

[jays4life19]

oh ok you got me i can't argue with that you win

 

lmao.

[goeb]

"Feldman gave up three in the first and then he settled in," Toronto manager John Gibbons said. "He's a proven, crafty veteran."

 

I want quotes on our pitching situation. The offense can't score 6 runs a game to bail this staff out. I think we will have to put up with this until the All-Star break, then head's will roll. AA neglected pitching this offseason and instead decided to boost up the offense (which was already a strength of this team), you cannot overcompensate for such poor pitching with a superb offense.

[Atothe]

Breathe. Take a game off. Do something other then pound on your keyboard.

[Atothe]

Can't blame this loss on Estrada. Still building himself up and he nibbles. The fact that Francis hasn't been optioned or dfa'd is troubling. Get Colt Hynes back up

[xposbrad]

oh ok you got me i can't argue with that you win

 

Does SIERA factor in if it's a close game, like say the Jays have the lead, then they give up 1-2 runs and lose the game vs a game when they give up 1-2 runs and we have a 5+ run lead? Does it account for when a reliever pitches out of a jam like when they come into a game with runners on 1/2nd from the SP (so those aren't their ER on base) and they get out of it vs giving up say 1 hit and costing a run even if it isn't their earned run. Giving up a single with no one on, or a single with a runner on 2nd, can it differentiate the two as someone might score?

[ElNik2013]

"Feldman gave up three in the first and then he settled in," Toronto manager John Gibbons said. "He's a proven, crafty veteran."

 

I want quotes on our pitching situation. The offense can't score 6 runs a game to bail this staff out. I think we will have to put up with this until the All-Star break, then head's will roll. AA neglected pitching this offseason and instead decided to boost up the offense (which was already a strength of this team), you cannot overcompensate for such poor pitching with a superb offense.

 

 

They ended up with a lower payroll after the moves they made, they just didn't/haven't re-invest/ed the $aving$. You just know they'll now end up giving up more prospects to get pitching.

 

I said it during the off season, it would be better for the long term health of the franchise if it held on to its few remaining upper-minors prospects and instead bit the bullet for a year or 2 and went over budget. I know 135M should be enough to field a contender, but once they took on Reyes and Buehrle's deals, they had to know what payroll would look like in 2-3 years. If they didn't see the payroll constraints 2 years ahead, then the team prez and owners are just hopeless.

 

The team actually made some potentially good pick-ups for the bullpen in Matt West and Preston Guilmet, only to lose them for nothing.

 

Someone in that F/O is giving good advice yet the dumb side always seems to win out.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Stick a fork in it...

[CJ-Freeway]

Jays' bullpen is 11th in SIERA with 3.45.

 

Jays' rotation is second last with 4.89.

 

Really, really not a pen issue.

 

Wow, I'm pretty surprised, I thought we would be last or near last. What about blown saves?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Not sure but the bullpen is the least of the worries on this team when it comes to pitching!