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Who would you have suggested? It's not like there's an excess of middle infielders throughout the league.

 

I would suggest a new GM if the current one can't find an above-replacement backup shortstop in 3 years.

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Santiago, Izturs, and Goins suck. Kawasaki probably sucks.

 

AA has had three years to find a suitable second shortstop to provide value in a utility role behind Reyes and the 2B revolving door has opted not to. That's on him.

 

Goins is not a suitable bench player? I think you're expecting too much for your bench players.

 

A bench player that can play the infield and hit well is not a bench player. That's a starting shortstop/2B.

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Goins is not a suitable bench player? I think you're expecting too much for your bench players.

 

A bench player that can play the infield and hit well is not a bench player. That's a starting shortstop/2B.

 

He's replacement-level. Possibly worse. The combination of his skills results in a player that doesn't belong on a major league team.

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I'm not sure there's been 15 starting shortstops that were above replacement in any of the last 3 seasons. probably even less at 2B.

 

wat

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He's replacement-level. Possibly worse. The combination of his skills results in a player that doesn't belong on a major league team.

 

Not necessarily true. If you can limit his PA and maximize his defensive innings (i.e. use him largely as a late inning replacement) then he comes out as a small plus.

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Goins is not a suitable bench player? I think you're expecting too much for your bench players.

 

A bench player that can play the infield and hit well is not a bench player. That's a starting shortstop/2B.

 

he'd be a perfect guy to back up early 90's Cal Ripken

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Who would you have suggested? It's not like there's an excess of middle infielders throughout the league.

 

Ben Zobrist...same guy I suggested all off season. Someone who can play multi positions.

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Not necessarily true. If you can limit his PA and maximize his defensive innings (i.e. use him largely as a late inning replacement) then he comes out as a small plus.

 

Yeah maybe. It's hard to see him ever be used consistently like that here. Reyes will never be pulled for a defensive replacement, and if Reyes is hurt Goins just defaults to the full time SS role.

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Not worried about defensive side, Goins will be fine, maybe even an improvement.

But asking Travis to bat leadoff for a month seems like a big ask, to me.

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Santiago, Izturs, and Goins suck. Kawasaki probably sucks.

 

AA has had three years to find a suitable second shortstop to provide value in a utility role behind Reyes and the 2B revolving door has opted not to. That's on him.

 

tell me how many teams have a 2 war utility infielder on their bench. There are lots of teams starting middle infielders that won't be 1 war players. Goins' bat won't be as bad as it was last year. He's somewhere between slightly negative to 1 war player if pressed into regular duty which is right in line with most teams. I believe he can post a slightly positive WAR this year. He's posted a .704 career .OPS in the minors. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he could come around with the bat and post a .620 OPS bat in the big leagues which is more than fine for a backup when the defense is as good as goins' is.

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tell me how many teams have a 2 war utility infielder on their bench. There are lots of teams starting middle infielders that won't be 1 war players. Goins' bat won't be as bad as it was last year. He's somewhere between slightly negative to 1 war player if pressed into regular duty which is right in line with most teams. I believe he can post a slightly positive WAR this year. He's posted a .704 career .OPS in the minors. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he could come around with the bat and post a .620 OPS bat in the big leagues which is more than fine for a backup when the defense is as good as goins' is.

 

Several teams. But that's beside the point because I'm not saying AA should have a league average backup ready. I'm saying he should have an above-replacement backup ready. Goins is not that.

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Apparently 33 players posted .5 fWAR or better last year. Two of which were Ramon Santiago and Jose Reyes. I was thinking league average not replacement.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=10&type=6&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Yeah, with several others capable had they been given playing time. Having a Util guy who can play short and maybe give you 10 runs above replacement over 400-500 PA is not too much to ask.

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Sounds a lot like Muni, Santiago, pre 2013 Izzy or even Goins.

 

Muni maybe. I like Kawasaki as a bench player, and I'd have him up over Goins. Not sure how he'd look if asked to defend short everday and face LHP and RHP. Platooning the two while Reyes is out would be ideal as far as internal options go.

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Not the worst idea. You would need a manager that knows what a reverse split is though. To bad we don't have one of those.

 

Anything to keep Goins away from LHP. I never want to see him flail away at a lefty again.

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Surprise, surprise, Reyes is hurt.

 

It seems kinda dumb that he didn't get a day off since he tweaked the rib last weekend.

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Yeah, with several others capable had they been given playing time. Having a Util guy who can play short and maybe give you 10 runs above replacement over 400-500 PA is not too much to ask.

 

Better option than Goins

Marwin Gonzalez

Jonathan Villar

Cliff Pennington

Eduardo Nunez

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So many good players to claw back, lol.

 

Keep Yan Gomes.

Keep d'Arnaud and Syndergaard.

Keep Marisnick, Alvarez, DeSclafani.

 

Stroman

Hutch

Syndergaard

Alvarez

Sanchez

Desclafani

Happ?

 

Bautista

Pompey

Saunders?

Pillar

Marisnick

 

Donaldson

Hech (yuck)

Travis

Edwin

Smoak

Gomes/d'Arnaud

 

+ a lot of money to sign some players.

 

WOAT post.

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So many good players to claw back, lol.

 

Keep Yan Gomes.

Keep d'Arnaud and Syndergaard.

Keep Marisnick, Alvarez, DeSclafani.

 

Stroman

Hutch

Syndergaard

Alvarez

Sanchez

Desclafani

Happ?

 

Bautista

Pompey

Saunders?

Pillar

Marisnick

 

Donaldson

Hech (yuck)

Travis

Edwin

Smoak

Gomes/d'Arnaud

 

+ a lot of money to sign some players.

 

 

 

You forgot to include the probable top 5 picks for stinking in 2013 and 2014 so add another top talent. Plus, doubt they would've traded for Donaldson given they would've stuck with their rebuilding plan sub in Lawrie, Graveman, Nolin and Barreto coming fast.

 

Alright, let's move forward.

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