What did Josh Hamilton do?

[Jonzo]

Uhm, ok? And how does that make a difference in regards to substance abuse?

[Captain Adama]

Alcohol is legal.

 

So? It's still more dangerous and addictive than a lot of illegal drugs.

[nmrch]

Its amazing how much sympathy Josh Hamilton gets compared to the average athlete struggling with substance abuse problems, not saying he doesn't deserve it but it would be nice if other athletes struggling got the same support, wonder what's different about him.

[Jonzo]

Its amazing how much sympathy Josh Hamilton gets compared to the average athlete struggling with substance abuse problems, not saying he doesn't deserve it but it would be nice if other athletes struggling got the same support, wonder what's different about him.

 

I doubt public/fan/media support means anything at all anyways. Family and friends are the support system most people require.

[Dr. Dinger]

Illegality has nothing to do with it. Weed is illegal, oxycontin is legal.

[Jonzo]

Yes. What's done is done. I understand that...people with substance abuse issues struggle daily. It's terrible. I get that. My point is simply that in what circumstance are taking illegal drugs a good idea? Everyone knows what they can do to you. It's an unnecessary risk. If you're wired as someone with an addictive personality then you're going to find out eventually...gambling, drinking...those are all legal activities and can very easily bring out that side of you.

 

I'm talking specifically about starting with illegal drugs in the first place.

 

My original responses were worded poorly and far too flippantly. I apologize for coming across as completely insensitive...I just really get frustrated that it seems like as a society, education about the dangers of drugs hasn't really made as much of an impact as I thought it would by now. It angers me that even though we all know the dangers, so many people still decide that it's worth trying.

 

I agree with your post. My whole point was assigning blame at a certain point doesn't help, that's all.

[Deadpool]

What I want to know is, who is the guy who agreed to give coke to Hamilton and help him relapse? Now that guy's a real doucher.

 

As opposed to those totally straight up and awesome coke dealers?

[Captain Adama]

Yes. What's done is done. I understand that...people with substance abuse issues struggle daily. It's terrible. I get that. My point is simply that in what circumstance are taking illegal drugs a good idea? Everyone knows what they can do to you. It's an unnecessary risk. If you're wired as someone with an addictive personality then you're going to find out eventually...gambling, drinking...those are all legal activities and can very easily bring out that side of you.

 

I'm talking specifically about starting with illegal drugs in the first place.

 

My original responses were worded poorly and far too flippantly. I apologize for coming across as completely insensitive...I just really get frustrated that it seems like as a society, education about the dangers of drugs hasn't really made as much of an impact as I thought it would by now. It angers me that even though we all know the dangers, so many people still decide that it's worth trying.

 

It's certainly not a lack of education, but it's how the education is presented. Drugs are made to seem like a *gasp!* big deal. When really, a good many of them are not so much a trouble with responsible use, but the constant throwing down the dangers and taboo of illegal drugs unintentionally adds an allure to kids. Plus, not to sound like too much a cynic, but teenagers are pretty damn stupid.

 

Then again, a few illegal drugs when used responsibly can lead to a pretty good time and no bad effects, there's simply no grey area here.

 

Probably why Catholic schools have the highest teen pregnancy rates; they have no proper sex ed curriculum and kids are told that sex is bad and a sin. Which probably creates a reverse psychology effect. I should know this, I went to one, certainly didn't stop my classmates from screwing around.

[Captain Adama]

Illegality has nothing to do with it. Weed is illegal, oxycontin is legal.

 

Fun fact you might already know, if you buy the perfectly legal, over-the-counter drugs Gravol or Benadryl and take about 2-3 tablets, it's just like being high off weed.

[Angrioter]

He shared one snuff of marijuana with Edward Snowden?

[admin]

shared his mlb.tv pass

 

Made an Adenhart joke in the clubhouse...

[Laika]

A lot of jokes going around in this thread but I gotta say... what a treat to watch Hamilton while he was playing through his prime years... arguably the most beautiful swing in the game IMO

 

He was a true phenom. To come all the way back from the gutter like he did and still be good enough to lead Major League Baseball in WAR (2010) is f***ing insane.

 

Could have been one of the greats! Like a white Griffey, honestly.

[Dick_Pole]

He was a true phenom. To come all the way back from the gutter like he did and still be good enough to lead Major League Baseball in WAR (2010) is f***ing insane.

 

Could have been one of the greats! Like a white Griffey, honestly.

 

A white Darryl Strawberry is the best comparison

[Laika]

Like a white Bill Cosby in his prime

[Laika]

A white Darryl Strawberry is the best comparison

 

Hamilton was as talented as Strawberry after falling into hard drugs and hooker cracks for four years of his formative young baseball life.

[Laika]

Like a white Oprah if her ability to recommend books was a metaphor for hitting dingers

[Laika]

Like a white Ichiro if he felt like hitting home runs for a change

[Laika]

Like a white Air Bud except a man

[baseballsss]

Yes. What's done is done. I understand that...people with substance abuse issues struggle daily. It's terrible. I get that. My point is simply that in what circumstance are taking illegal drugs a good idea? Everyone knows what they can do to you. It's an unnecessary risk. If you're wired as someone with an addictive personality then you're going to find out eventually...gambling, drinking...those are all legal activities and can very easily bring out that side of you.

 

I'm talking specifically about starting with illegal drugs in the first place.

 

My original responses were worded poorly and far too flippantly. I apologize for coming across as completely insensitive...I just really get frustrated that it seems like as a society, education about the dangers of drugs hasn't really made as much of an impact as I thought it would by now. It angers me that even though we all know the dangers, so many people still decide that it's worth trying.

 

Everyone knows it's Hamiltons own fault. Everyone in life at some point or another makes bad choices, we know the risk of drugs and when your having a good time you sucker yourself into believing it will just be this one time. Hamilton was rich at a young age and got the best of him. Give the man credit for coming back and also manning up to his relapse.

 

Man i'll never forget that HR derby at Yankee stadium.

One of my favourite memories to be honest.

[dineke]

Kind of interesting that Hamilton is getting sympathy from the general public but Josh Gordan was mocked and ridiculed.

[KingKat]

Kind of interesting that Hamilton is getting sympathy from the general public but Josh Gordan was mocked and ridiculed.

 

Race and religion probably have a lot to do with that.

[Frenchsoup]

Didn't Hamilton just get on a TV reality show? Like the Real housewife's or something like that?

[Deadpool]

Kind of interesting that Hamilton is getting sympathy from the general public but Josh Gordan was mocked and ridiculed.

 

The general public is dumb. Everyone deserves mockery at all times, for anything.

[KingKat]

Didn't Hamilton just get on a TV reality show? Like the Real housewife's or something like that?

 

His wife in on one of those shows.

[Nafro]

Josh Hamilton | ANA

(February 27, 2015 8:42 AM EST)

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi report that Josh Hamilton "is likely to be suspended for at least 25 games but less than a full season."

The report says that commissioner Rob Manfred is "not close to a decision" due to "various complexities" in Hamilton's case. While Hamilton's relapse this offseason is not considered his first major league violation (he was on the Rays' 40-man roster from February 18, 2004 through June 1, 2006), MLB is considering "showing compassion" for the outfielder because they "have a favorable view of (his) efforts to remain sober." Hamilton was already due to get a late start to the season because of shoulder surgery.

SOURCE: FOXSPORTS.COM

 

I really feel like Rob Manfred is going to be good for baseball. This seems very in tune with how we as a society need to handle substance abuse as a whole. The best way to make sure a relapse does not ruin all that's been accomplished is to be able to be honest and deal with it. MLB has a chance to show they are progressive and really trying to deal with this issue. You lie and cheat and get caught, the hammer comes down. You make a mistake, and own up to it, you are punished but your honesty and willingness to deal with your mistake is taken into account.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

He's clearly a weak minded individual. You have to be extremely dumb as it is to get into hardcore drugs but to also attribute your recovery to some type of divine intervention from god pretty much pushes you into full retard territory.

 

He should just retire. This is not the lifestyle for him.

[KingKat]

He's clearly a weak minded individual. You have to be extremely dumb as it is to get into hardcore drugs but to also attribute your recovery to some type of divine intervention from god pretty much pushes you into full retard territory.

 

He should just retire. This is not the lifestyle for him.

 

He's had a weird upbringing. Super strict parents. As soon as he had one iota of freedom in life, he couldn't handle it at all and became a hardcore drug addict almost overnight. Dude has never developped any personal responsability, never really became an adult. Throw addiction into the mix and he's pretty much f***ed. He can't function on his own and probably never will. Texas did an excellent job of building a support system around him and getting him to maximize his talent. Most people in his situation just end up ODing to the general indifference of society. He's pretty lucky that he had a talent that made it profitable for others to invest in his well being.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

He's had a weird upbringing. Super strict parents. As soon as he had one iota of freedom in life, he couldn't handle it at all and became a hardcore drug addict almost overnight. Dude has never developped any personal responsability, never really became an adult. Throw addiction into the mix and he's pretty much f***ed. He can't function on his own and probably never will. Texas did an excellent job of building a support system around him and getting him to maximize his talent. Most people in his situation just end up ODing to the general indifference of society. He's pretty lucky that he had a talent that made it profitable for others to invest in his well being.

 

Strict upbringing almost always = rebellion in some way. I guess it's not all his fault. Don't know enough of the backstory.

[Nafro]

It also helped him I think in Texas having Ron Washington as his coach. Washington had his own issues with cocaine so was probably much easier to relate to and was a good support net for Hamilton.

[jb22]

You have to be extremely dumb as it is to get into hardcore drugs

 

looooooooool yeah ok