Around Baseball 2015

[Laika]

Did anyone mention Rich Hill yet? Great signing by the A's for a mere one year and 6 million.

 

Have to feel good for Rich Hill. He's 35 and that's basically double his career earnings

[Dr. Dinger]

I can't believe teams will be willing to sign a non closer pen piece to 4 years at 9 a year

 

O'Day could easily be a closer, and will probably be signed as one.

[Dr. Dinger]

Have to feel good for Rich Hill. He's 35 and that's basically double his career earnings

 

And he could parlay that into another $10-20M if he has a good year in that incredible pitcher's park. Basically Scott Kazmir revisited.

[Abomination]

[THANOS]

 

That's his office because he's "s***"?

 

Lol At least he has a good sense of humour.

[Travis_Snider]

Keuchel wins AL CY

[Cyborg]

Shawn Tolleson got a 4th place vote. wat

[burlingtonbandit]

Lmao did the guys interviewing Keuchel not recognize who Smyly was?

[burlingtonbandit]

Estrada got a 4th place and 5th place vote lol

[Grant77]

Keuchel wins AL CY

 

I was just starting to have some faith in voters and then they base award on pitcher wins again.

[burlingtonbandit]

I was just starting to have some faith in voters and then they base award on pitcher wins again.

 

Keuchel deserved to win regardless

[Laika]

Keuchel deserved to win regardless

 

Why? Aside from pitcher Wins, the only thing in his favour is IP.

[Cyborg]

I was just starting to have some faith in voters and then they base award on pitcher wins again.

Only better pitcher in AL was Sale and his ERA was too high.

[Cyborg]

Why? Aside from pitcher Wins, the only thing in his favour is IP.

xFIP and SIERA were better.

[Laika]

Only better pitcher in AL was Sale and his ERA was too high.

 

Why was Price worse?

[Laika]

xFIP and SIERA were better.

 

So Keuchel was better than Price in those, but worse than Sale.

 

Better than Sale at ERA, but worse than Price.

 

Behind both of them in FIP and fWAR and K's and K rate.

 

I still don't get it.

 

Wins, baby. 20 wins.

[Cyborg]

When doing something like the Cy Young, theres two ways to look at it.

- Who was most valuable in terms of run prevention? RA9-WAR (Keuchel)

- Who demonstrated the best skills? xFIP or SIERA or some other skilled estimator (Keuchel or really Sale).

[Grant77]

Keuchel deserved to win regardless

 

Absolutely not, he was the third best pitcher. I'm almost certain that if he's 14-13 then he doesn't get the award.

[Travis_Snider]

who you guys got for NL cy?

[burlingtonbandit]

Why? Aside from pitcher Wins, the only thing in his favour is IP.

 

Keuchel had 13 DRS. Can't overlook how valuable that is.

[reedjohnsonfan]

lol is the board furious over the discussion these guys are having? Saying that ERA and WHIP are the determining stats for them.

[BTS]

Keuchel was not a bad choice at all.

[Grant77]

Keuchel had 13 DRS. Can't overlook how valuable that is.

 

Yes you can. The award is for how you pitch, the gold glove is for how you field. Should we give Pillar the Silver Slugger over Trout because he's a great fielder?

 

One thing we can consider is the White Sox -39 DRS.

[BTS]

Absolutely not, he was the third best pitcher. I'm almost certain that if he's 14-13 then he doesn't get the award.

 

wat

[BTS]

Yes you can. The award is for how you pitch, the gold glove is for how you field. Should we give Pillar the Silver Slugger over Trout because he's a great fielder?

 

Oh. This is dumb and you're a homer.

[BTS]

By xFIP-

64 Sale

66 Carrasco

68 Keuchel

 

Nobody should actually believe Keuchel's xFIP is the best measure of his talent.

[Laika]

Nobody should actually believe Keuchel's xFIP is the best measure of his talent.

 

Why?

 

Extreme groundball tendencies limit FB rate, but not HR/FB rate (at least I don't see why they would).

[Grant77]

Oh. This is dumb and you're a homer.

 

Are you drunk or something?

[BTS]

In which direction? Keuchel's career ERA is 20 points behind xFIP because he has given up a huge HR/FB.

 

Looking at his carrer numbers would be like looking at Bautista's career numbers two years into him breaking out.

 

Why?

 

Extreme groundball tendencies limit FB rate, but not HR/FB rate (at least I don't see why they would).

 

I worded that poorly, but you'd expect him to beat his xFIP because he's elite defensively and is the best contact manager in the league.

[BTS]

Are you drunk or something?

 

You just said holding runners has nothing to do with pitching...