(2014) Winter Meetings Discussion Thread

[Spanky__99]

BP:

 

Stop, I was kidding.

[TheHurl]

Meh. You could argue Hutch, Dickey and Buerhle (factoring in their D).

 

Haven't looked up the numbers but my blind eye tells me that Miley is one of the best defensive pitchers

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Wow la trade frenzy! Makes me think my trade proposal of Norris,Shanchez,Ousana,Pillar,izturis,Jimenez plus salary relief throw in Rickey romero for Champan,Phillips and Cueto just might be doable this off season still!!!

 

Wake the Ninja and make it sooooo!

[saskjayfan]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24880168/sources-padres-dodgers-on-verge-of-a-matt-kemp-blockbuster

 

 

 

Holy f***, if there is no money exchanged in this deal, it literally might be one of the worst trades in the history of baseball.

 

They threw in 30 mil to cover the contract. The Padres have kemp for 5 years 77 mil. That's pretty reasonable for a big middle of the order bat. Throw him in a corner outfield position and his defense isn't as big of an issue. He posted a .971 OPS in the second half. If he posts an .OPS anywhere close to .900 he's going to be a great player for the padres.

[GreekFatAss]

They threw in 30 mil to cover the contract. The Padres have kemp for 5 years 77 mil. That's pretty reasonable for a big middle of the order bat. Throw him in a corner outfield position and his defense isn't as big of an issue. He posted a .971 OPS in the second half. If he posts an .OPS anywhere close to .900 he's going to be a great player for the padres.

 

In that ball park, he is going to be lucky if he posts .800 OPS and I am not even joking.

[saskjayfan]

In that ball park, he is going to be lucky if he posts .800 OPS and I am not even joking.

 

every players numbers will struggle in that park, but he's a quality offensive player if he's healthy.

[saskjayfan]

Wow la trade frenzy! Makes me think my trade proposal of Norris,Shanchez,Ousana,Pillar,izturis,Jimenez plus salary relief throw in Rickey romero for Champan,Phillips and Cueto just might be doable this off season still!!!

 

Wake the Ninja and make it sooooo!

 

so you want to empty the entire farm for 1 year of cueto and 2 years of chapman and 3 years of an overpaid player on the decline. I'm pretty sure it doesn't take a ninja to pull of that deal. Cinci would be all over that deal.

[saskjayfan]

This deal is so hilarious. Grandal is a much better player than Kemp alone.

 

Kemp's health is a gamble, but if he's healthy his bat is a thousand times better than Grandal. The padres are never going to be able to sign a power bat. A trade like this makes sense for them. 15.4 AAV for a guy that play in the middle of your lineup is important for the padres.

[Westfan]

Wow not liking some of these Dodger deals. 4/48 for Brandon McCarthey. Well I guess he Might stay healthy. Then there is Andrew Heaney for 1 year of Kendrick.

 

Those are the type of deals you can make when you have a billion to spend. Glad Kendrick had us on his no trade.

 

Got lots for Kemp thou.

[saskjayfan]

And Grandal's defense value is immensely higher. WAYYYYY higher.

 

12 passed balls, throws out 13 percent of runners and pitchers don't like throwing to him and he only played 76 games behind the plate. That's some fantastic defense. He's been suspended and tied to steroids. Kemp played through injury and he's not a centre fielder. Put him in left and watch him hit bombs.

 

Grandal had 443 plate appearances last year and put up a 1.1 WAR. In what techno coloured dream world is Grandal a 3.7 WAR player?

[Frenchsoup]

12 passed balls, throws out 13 percent of runners and pitchers don't like throwing to him and he only played 76 games behind the plate. That's some fantastic defense. He's been suspended and tied to steroids. Kemp played through injury and he's not a centre fielder. Put him in left and watch him hit bombs.

 

Grandal had 443 plate appearances last year and put up a 1.1 WAR. In what techno coloured dream world is Grandal a 3.7 WAR player?

 

Probably because he's getting better? Kemp on the other hand.....

[Angrioter]

@CJNitkowski: Told Cespedes to Detroit, Porcello to Boston is done.

 

 

f***

[Sammy225]

@CJNitkowski: Told Cespedes to Detroit, Porcello to Boston is done.

 

 

f***

 

I guess makes sense if Detroit is going to sign back Max

[KingKat]

@CJNitkowski: Told Cespedes to Detroit, Porcello to Boston is done.

 

 

f***

 

Good trade for both teams. Porcelo's ground ball tendencies make him a good fit for Fenway and the Tigers OF situation was pretty fugly.

[Frenchsoup]

So Boston's rotation is looking like

 

Porcello

Miley

Buchholz

Kelly

 

I bet they go hard after shields or scherzer

[NorthOf49]

Most productive 12 hours ever for a front office?

 

The Dodgers filled holes at catcher, second base, shortstop, third starter, middle relief. They did this by barely adding to their payroll and not trading ANY top prospects. That kind of efficiency isn't supposed to happen.

[z3r0s]

So Boston's rotation is looking like

 

Porcello

Miley

Buchholz

Kelly

 

I bet they go hard after shields or scherzer

 

yeah, I like Porcello, but its not a scary rotation at all.

[NorthOf49]

yeah, I like Porcello, but its not a scary rotation at all.

Porcello is a ~3 win pitcher, Lester is a ~4 win guy. It's not as much of a downgrade as you'd think. Flipping Lester for Cespedes for Porcello was pretty smart.

 

Last four seasons by xFIP-

Porcello: 99, 94, 81, 97

Lester: 91, 96, 87, 73

 

Lester needs to sustain his recent performance to come out ahead. Porcello is a legit #2/3 starter.

[saskjayfan]

Porcello is a ~3 win pitcher, Lester is a ~4 win guy. It's not as much of a downgrade as you'd think. Flipping Lester for Cespedes for Porcello was pretty smart.

 

Last four seasons by xFIP-

Porcello: 99, 94, 81, 97

Lester: 91, 96, 87, 73

 

Lester needs to sustain his recent performance to come out ahead. Porcello is a legit #2/3 starter.

 

Porcello is a mid rotation guy...he's not a number 2....their entire rotation is mid rotation guys just like the Jays...let the offenses battle it out. At least Stroman looks like he could be a number 2 starter.

[NorthOf49]

Porcello is a mid rotation guy...he's not a number 2....their entire rotation is mid rotation guys just like the Jays...let the offenses battle it out. At least Stroman looks like he could be a number 2 starter.

Porcello was 29th in pitcher fWAR last year and was similarly valuable in previous years. He's probably better than many pitchers you'd consider to be #2/3 guys.

[KingKat]

Porcello is a mid rotation guy...he's not a number 2....their entire rotation is mid rotation guys just like the Jays...let the offenses battle it out. At least Stroman looks like he could be a number 2 starter.

 

Mid-rotation guy basically means 2-4 unless you think it should only include true #3s.

[SAAviour]

Cespedes seams so over valued to me. I'm surprised he keeps get trading for good pitching. Maybe I'm wrong and he's actuallly good at more then the home run derby. I feel sox won this trade.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

so you want to empty the entire farm for 1 year of cueto and 2 years of chapman and 3 years of an overpaid player on the decline. I'm pretty sure it doesn't take a ninja to pull of that deal. Cinci would be all over that deal.

 

Not sure that is would empty the farm, ace pitcher, bonifide closer and that declining 2b player is still better then what we trotted out there last year! Also with Buehrle off the books we might afford Cueto moving forward too! Or get a pick. Plus I believe the window is beginning to close on this chapter off this team. One maybe two year and then we might be forced to rebuild so you might as well load up and go for it this year!

[SAAviour]

@Joelsherman1: Since losing out on Lester, #Redsox have added Miley, Porcello without adversely impacting prospect base, payroll, so can do lots more

 

And I think the Red Sox are about to have a dodgeresque week.

[Iggy]

Cespedes seams so over valued to me. I'm surprised he keeps get trading for good pitching. Maybe I'm wrong and he's actuallly good at more then the home run derby. I feel sox won this trade.

 

It looks like Boston is sending 2 prospects to Detroit as well so that could even out the trade

[SAAviour]

It looks like Boston is sending 2 prospects to Detroit as well

 

Ok that could even it out.

[Angrioter]

I guess makes sense if Detroit is going to sign back Max

 

Tigers will trade for Reds SP (Latos, Cueto or Simon?)

[Angrioter]

[aselvana]

[aselvana]

tiger making room for max?