Offseason roster thread 2014

[G-Snarls]

Bautista on Jeff Blair show tomorrow morning at 11:40 ET

 

Hopefully he's as honest as usual

[GD]

Well not as easy as putting down ideas without having an opinion.

 

Or assuming that others don't have an opinion because they didn't write an 8 page report on it.

[o2cui2i]

Bautista on Jeff Blair show tomorrow morning at 11:40 ET

 

Hopefully he's as honest as usual

 

I'm sure he'll have a his public say on what he thinks needs to be done. Question is whether he says enough to have AA trade him for what he says. lol

[Hawkins]

Or assuming that others don't have an opinion because they didn't write an 8 page report on it.

 

If it takes you 8 pages to voice your opinion then it's better you don't write it.

[GD]

If it takes you 8 pages to voice your opinion then it's better you don't write it.

 

You're right, I should just write about how the Jays clearly need to make ridiculously lopsided deals while adding like $30m in payroll. Short and sweet.

[Hawkins]

You're right, I should just write about how the Jays clearly need to make ridiculously lopsided deals while adding like $30m in payroll. Short and sweet.

 

We finally agree.

[glory]

I'm sure he'll have a his public say on what he thinks needs to be done. Question is whether he says enough to have AA trade him for what he says. lol

 

In a strange twist, Bautista will say he is happy with the team as is and does not want any changes, but then AA will go out and sign a player.

 

Reverse psychology!

[o2cui2i]

In a strange twist, Bautista will say he is happy with the team as is and does not want any changes, but then AA will go out and sign a player.

 

Reverse psychology!

 

LOL

 

dont think either would know how to do their part for that to happen.

[TheHurl]

Adam Morris from LoneStar ball writes about Rangers potential interest in Happ.

 

http://www.lonestarball.com/2014/11/10/7184173/j-a-happ-texas-rangers-potential-offseason-acquisition

 

At the end of the article he speculates on Happ's value, which is more in line of what I thought it would be.

 

At $6.7 million, he's getting about market value for a one win player on the free agent market, so there's not a ton of surplus value there. I don't know what sort of offers the Blue Jays are getting, or what they're seeking out for Happ, but I suspect that it isn't much, a couple of fringe prospects, a reliever out of options who hasn't established himself as a major leaguer, or an arbitration-eligible player whose current team is considering non-tendering him. And I can't imagine that Happ is the Rangers' first choice. But with a need for starting pitching and a limited budget, Happ is someone who is probably on the radar, and who could end up here.

[RealAccountant]

Adam Morris from LoneStar ball writes about Rangers potential interest in Happ.

 

http://www.lonestarball.com/2014/11/10/7184173/j-a-happ-texas-rangers-potential-offseason-acquisition

 

At the end of the article he speculates on Happ's value, which is more in line of what I thought it would be.

 

At $6.7 million, he's getting about market value for a one win player on the free agent market, so there's not a ton of surplus value there. I don't know what sort of offers the Blue Jays are getting, or what they're seeking out for Happ, but I suspect that it isn't much, a couple of fringe prospects, a reliever out of options who hasn't established himself as a major leaguer, or an arbitration-eligible player whose current team is considering non-tendering him. And I can't imagine that Happ is the Rangers' first choice. But with a need for starting pitching and a limited budget, Happ is someone who is probably on the radar, and who could end up here.

 

What aboot Burly. Trade him to the Rangers

[RealAccountant]

Bautista coming up on the fan

 

http://player.sportsnet590.ca/

 

Why? Demand a Trade?

[Angrioter]

[TheHurl]

What aboot Burly. Trade him to the Rangers

 

He speculated on that one too (and everyone that's said to be available)

 

http://www.lonestarball.com/2014/10/27/7078057/mark-buehrle-texas-rangers-potential-offseason-acquisition

 

If Cafardo is right, and Buehrle is on the market, I expect the Rangers to at least inquire about him. The Rangers have had interest in him in the past, and he's the type of pitcher they are looking for this offseason -- a one year guy who they can count on for 200 innings, and who will be a solid #3 starter. If you think Buehrle is likely a 3 win starter for 2015, even his salary isn't really out of line -- you'd be paying him $6.3M per win, which isn't that much above FMV.

 

If you really want to get out there in awesome imagination land, the Rangers have long coveted Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, having pursued both players at various teams over the past two seasons, and I would bet the Ranger front office is spitballing the possibility of a Buehrle/Encarnacion (owed $10M in 2015, with a $10M club option for 2016) or a Buehrle/Bautista (owed $14M in 2015, with a $14M club option for 2016) package. That would likely require parting with a significant prospect package, however, as well as requiring Ranger ownership to increase payroll above where we expect it to be in 2015.

 

But getting back to just Buehrle, if the Jays are motivated sellers, there could be a fit here. The Rangers have a deep farm system that would allow them to part with some pieces without crippling the farm in order to get Toronto to swallow some more cash, and Buehrle would be a terrific placeholder as the team's #3 starter while they wait for Martin Perez to return in 2016.

[RealAccountant]

He speculated on that one too (and everyone that's said to be available)

 

http://www.lonestarball.com/2014/10/27/7078057/mark-buehrle-texas-rangers-potential-offseason-acquisition

 

If Cafardo is right, and Buehrle is on the market, I expect the Rangers to at least inquire about him. The Rangers have had interest in him in the past, and he's the type of pitcher they are looking for this offseason -- a one year guy who they can count on for 200 innings, and who will be a solid #3 starter. If you think Buehrle is likely a 3 win starter for 2015, even his salary isn't really out of line -- you'd be paying him $6.3M per win, which isn't that much above FMV.

 

If you really want to get out there in awesome imagination land, the Rangers have long coveted Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, having pursued both players at various teams over the past two seasons, and I would bet the Ranger front office is spitballing the possibility of a Buehrle/Encarnacion (owed $10M in 2015, with a $10M club option for 2016) or a Buehrle/Bautista (owed $14M in 2015, with a $14M club option for 2016) package. That would likely require parting with a significant prospect package, however, as well as requiring Ranger ownership to increase payroll above where we expect it to be in 2015.

 

But getting back to just Buehrle, if the Jays are motivated sellers, there could be a fit here. The Rangers have a deep farm system that would allow them to part with some pieces without crippling the farm in order to get Toronto to swallow some more cash, and Buehrle would be a terrific placeholder as the team's #3 starter while they wait for Martin Perez to return in 2016.

 

I just don't know anymore ;-( I used to have opinions and thoughts, but these days who knows what is good for a team and what isn't

[Angrioter]

He speculated on that one too (and everyone that's said to be available)

 

http://www.lonestarball.com/2014/10/27/7078057/mark-buehrle-texas-rangers-potential-offseason-acquisition

 

If Cafardo is right, and Buehrle is on the market, I expect the Rangers to at least inquire about him. The Rangers have had interest in him in the past, and he's the type of pitcher they are looking for this offseason -- a one year guy who they can count on for 200 innings, and who will be a solid #3 starter. If you think Buehrle is likely a 3 win starter for 2015, even his salary isn't really out of line -- you'd be paying him $6.3M per win, which isn't that much above FMV.

 

If you really want to get out there in awesome imagination land, the Rangers have long coveted Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, having pursued both players at various teams over the past two seasons, and I would bet the Ranger front office is spitballing the possibility of a Buehrle/Encarnacion (owed $10M in 2015, with a $10M club option for 2016) or a Buehrle/Bautista (owed $14M in 2015, with a $14M club option for 2016) package. That would likely require parting with a significant prospect package, however, as well as requiring Ranger ownership to increase payroll above where we expect it to be in 2015.

 

But getting back to just Buehrle, if the Jays are motivated sellers, there could be a fit here. The Rangers have a deep farm system that would allow them to part with some pieces without crippling the farm in order to get Toronto to swallow some more cash, and Buehrle would be a terrific placeholder as the team's #3 starter while they wait for Martin Perez to return in 2016.

 

Burly for Profar?

[Angrioter]

Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #Mariners interested in Hanley. Some, however, doubt team will make another $100M+ signing. One source says VMart is M's priority.

[Angrioter]

 

Jose Bautista expects the Toronto Blue Jays to have flexibility this off-season, but he’s not going to speculate publicly about the needs general manager Alex Anthopoulos must address.

 

“I’d hate to make the comments that I would make in personal conversations when they’re not going to be blasted all over the media just because some people might misinterpret,” Bautista told Jeff Blair on Sportsnet 590 The FAN Monday. “It happens all of the time, and it did a little bit last year. I felt that some people misconstrued what I said when the [trade] deadline came.”

Last July 31 Bautista told reporters that he was “disappointed” that the Blue Jays did not make any major trades leading up to the non-waiver deadline. The comments became a talking point during the weeks that followed, so this time Bautista simply deferred to Toronto’s front office.

 

Bautista told Blair that he believes in the roster Anthopoulos has assembled.

 

“I have faith in the fact that he’s going to be doing everything that is in his power to make this team better,” Bautista said. “But we have a pretty good group of guys put together, too. Moving forward our chances of winning are still very, very high. If we just stay with the same group and not even make any additions, which most likely is not going to happen, just by everybody gaining some experience and playing up to their capabilities we should have a pretty good team in place.”

Now that Adam Lind has been traded to Milwaukee and Colby Rasmus, Casey Janssen and Melky Cabrera are free agents, some of Toronto’s veteran players are off of the books. Bautista expects the Blue Jays to have financial flexibility this winter.

 

“With some departures and some money being freed up, I think Alex is — and I’m not going to put this in stone or say I got this from any type of official source – just using my logic he’s going to have some money to play with,” Bautista said. “We’ll see what happens and I’m excited to see what kind of moves he’s able to come up with.”

While Bautista hasn’t been asked to talk to any free agents in particular, he would call players if the Blue Jays ask him to help in the recruitment process. Until then he’s going to focus on his off-season preparation as Anthopoulos gets to work.

[Lawrie22]

Made my own mock blue jays offseason for fun, let me know what you guys think!

Sign:

Aoki 2 years 15

Martin 4 years 63 mil

Jed Lowrie 3 years 27 mil

Jason Grilli 1 year 5 mil

Brett Anderson 1 year 5 mil

 

Trade Dioner Navarro + JA Happ to pirates for Hughes/Melancon + Alvarez

 

1.Reyes- SS

2.Aoki- LF

3.Bautista- RF

4.Encarnacion- 1B

5.Martin- C

6.Lawrie- 3B

7.Alvarez-DH(Smoak against LHP)

8.Lowrie- 2B

9.Gose- CF (Pillar/Mayberry LHP)

 

Bench:

Izturis

Smoak

Mayberry Jr/Pillar

Thole

 

Rotation:

Dickey

Buerhle

Stroman

Hutchison

Anderson

 

Pen:

Sanchez

Redmond

Loup

Estrada

Melancon/Hughes

Cecil

Grilli

[BTS]

I think your trade is hugely lopsided in favour of Toronto, but where do I sign on everything else?

[Angrioter]

wRC+ Vs RHP

Pedro Alvarez 118

Juan Francisco 113

 

wRC+ Vs LHP

Pedro Alvarez 64

Juan Francisco 14

[Lawrie22]

I don't believe the deal is that lopsided. Last I heard the bucs were either going to move Alvarez to 1B or trade him so Harrison can play 3B. The bucs will need a catcher once Martin is gone and they could use a lefty to replace liriano. I think it's a pretty good deal for both sides.

[BTS]

I don't believe the deal is that lopsided. Last I heard the bucs were either going to move Alvarez to 1B or trade him so Harrison can play 3B. The bucs will need a catcher once Martin is gone and they could use a lefty to replace liriano. I think it's a pretty good deal for both sides.

 

The Pirates have a pretty good front office now. They know that Navarro is replacement-level. I'd be surprised if they rostered him for league min, let alone $5 M, let alone trading assets to roster him at $5 M.

 

I also think people are significantly overestimating the value Happ has around the league. A 32-year old 1-1.5 win SP with 1/6.7 left on his deal just isn't a sexy asset. I think you're looking at a decent (not elite) pre-arb pen arm or something if you move him.

[GD]

Is Happ for Alvarez really that far-fetched though?

[BTS]

Is Happ for Alvarez really that far-fetched though?

 

No. I just don't think there's any chance you get Melancon for Happ, especially if they're taking on Navarro.

[Lawrie22]

I wouldn't really consider it taking on Navarro. I'm not sure how much melancon makes but whatever the difference is between him and Navarro I'm sure is worth it for the bucs to get a slightly above average catcher. He is for sure better than their in house options right now.

[BTS]

I wouldn't really consider it taking on Navarro. I'm not sure how much melancon makes but whatever the difference is between him and Navarro I'm sure is worth it for the bucs to get a slightly above average catcher. He is for sure better than their in house options right now.

 

He's not above-average though. He's replacement-level.

[kgm1]

Navarro isn't worth anything in trade. He is a back up catcher with a decent enough bat. Those guys get paid 1.5 to 2 mil NOT 5 mil. Better odds he comes to camp in shape than we do in trading him and I sure as hell don't believe that will happen.

If they sign Martin ( Highly doubtful ) Navarro becomes a replacement level DH

[Angrioter]

Ken_Rosenthal

Among possibilities #Braves are considering: Trading a reliever for a back-end starter.

 

Happ here we go.

[Lawrie22]

Happ for Walden?

[Mikeleelop]

He's not above-average though. He's replacement-level.

 

Navarro's value page from Fangraphs - replacement level is 0 WAR isn't it??

 

 

 

Value

 

Season Team Batting Base Running Fielding Positional Offense Defense League Replacement RAR WAR Dollars

 

 

2004 Yankees 0.3 -0.1 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.2 0.6 0.1 $0.2

2005 Dodgers -0.7 -1.9 -1.0 3.7 -2.6 2.7 0.3 6.1 6.5 0.7 $2.2

2006 2 Teams -8.6 -1.4 -1.0 5.6 -10.0 4.6 0.8 9.5 4.9 0.5 $1.8

 

 

2007 Devil Rays -18.5 -1.9 -3.0 8.2 -20.4 5.2 1.6 13.4 -0.1 0.0 ($0.1)

2008 Rays 2.9 -7.1 1.9 8.7 -4.2 10.6 1.6 14.3 22.3 2.2 $10.0 $0.4

2009 Rays -23.7 -0.6 -3.3 7.9 -24.3 4.6 1.5 12.5 -5.7 -0.6 ($2.6)

2010 Rays -8.2 -3.4 0.1 2.8 -11.6 2.9 0.6 4.2 -3.9 -0.4 ($1.6)

2011 Dodgers -8.2 -3.4 -0.7 3.6 -11.7 2.9 0.4 5.9 -2.5 -0.3 ($1.2)

2012 Reds -0.3 -0.4 0.0 1.3 -0.7 1.4 0.2 2.2 3.0 0.3 $1.4

2013 Cubs 11.2 -5.1 -1.1 3.6 6.1 2.5 0.3 7.6 16.5 1.8 $8.9

2014 Blue Jays -1.2 -3.5 0.5 5.5 -4.7 6.0 2.1 14.7 18.1 2.0 $10.9

Total - - - -55.0 -28.7 -7.5 51.1 -83.8 43.5 9.4 90.5 59.7 6.2 $30.0