Offseason roster thread 2014

[LongTimeReader]

Neither Martin or Navarro can't catch Dickey so I cant see this happening.

 

Plus I can totally see Martin being offered Stupid Money.

 

Martin will be our new SS when we unload Reyes

[kgm1]

Neither Martin or Navarro can't catch Dickey so I cant see this happening.

 

Plus I can totally see Martin being offered Stupid Money.

 

Agreed, As more clubs buy into pitch framing and defensive runs saved the value of guys like Martin just keeps going up . Add to that the first round pick cost and the budget contraints and this just makes no sense.

[GNick49]

Martin will be our new SS when we unload Reyes

 

lol...nobody will take on his contract

[LongTimeReader]

lol...nobody will take on his contract

 

kthxforthat

[RealAccountant]

Agreed, As more clubs buy into pitch framing and defensive runs saved the value of guys like Martin just keeps going up . Add to that the first round pick cost and the budget contraints and this just makes no sense.

 

The signing doesn't make sense

 

The rumor makes perfect sense. After AA does nothing this off season he will need a fall back we tried position. Martin will be one of those fallback players. Jays will offer him something, of this I am sure but it will be the second best deal. what better way to get the rumor out there than use your own media arm lacky

[kgm1]

I still see AA,s plan as improving the defense, adding team speed and building a better bull pen. While Martin would fit the better defense plan his cost in a prospect plus huge dollars just doesn't fit. I'm sure he didn't see Smoak and Dirks falling into his lap but that still leaves only 19 or so mil to spend and 8 rosters spots to fill.

I also think AA discussed all major free agents like this board has and like this board discarded them because of costs.

[Governator]

Giving up a draft pick won't hurt the Jays as they'll get one back when Cabrera walks.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So could we do a trade even though he has been qualified and gain the week to talk to him and his agent and sign him?

 

Say Dickey and his platoon partner, Melkey to balance out draft picks in case neither player signs with thier new teams.

 

And we get Martin and tony Watson

 

Can such a deal be done? Does anybody know the answer?

[Deadpool]

Giving up a draft pick won't hurt the Jays as they'll get one back when Cabrera walks.

 

We'd be giving up a better one than we'd be getting... But Martin might (probably, but not 100%) be worth it.

[glory]

What would it take to get Valbuena from the Cubs? He seems like a good fit, but not sure how the Jays and Cubs line up in terms of need.

 

On that second thought, I don't want AA trading with those guys. Nevermind.

[Frenchsoup]

With my Romero money deferment to Martin. We could non tender Estrada and Mayberry as well as trade Happ and then free up enough money to go for Asdrubel Cabrera ~$50 million over 4 years to play 2B and backup at SS as well as offer $33 million for 3 years to Aoki. Doing this would drastically improve the teams defense by shoring it up behind the plate, at 2B and in LF. It would also arguably allow us to carry Gose as the teams CF full time for his defense and speed alone since the lineup from 1-8 would be pretty well balanced.

 

C: Martin

1B: Smoak

2B: Cabrera

3B: Lawrie

SS: Reyes

LF: Aoki

CF: Gose

RF: Bautista

DH: Encarnacion

 

All average to excellent defenders with Reyes being the exception.

 

 

It would also allow Sanchez to slot into the rotation for Happ’s spot as well as leaves us future flexibility with Buerhle’s $19 million coming off the books to handle re-signings and future additions. This plan would leave us at $138 million with room for some minor tweaks to add another free agent pen arm or two.

 

Rotation would then consist of

 

P/Dickey

P/Stroman

P/Buerhle

P/Hutchison

P/Sanchez

 

With Nolin, Redmond, Jenkins, Graveman available as depth.

 

Why do you want to give Aoki 33mill? He's not very good.

[Abomination]

I still see AA,s plan as improving the defense, adding team speed and building a better bull pen. While Martin would fit the better defense plan his cost in a prospect plus huge dollars just doesn't fit. I'm sure he didn't see Smoak and Dirks falling into his lap but that still leaves only 19 or so mil to spend and 8 rosters spots to fill.

I also think AA discussed all major free agents like this board has and like this board discarded them because of costs.

 

I wonder if we could see the Jays trade Buehrle and add multiple free agents that cost picks, then go nuts in the IFA market next year instead?

[Deadpool]

Why do you want to give Aoki 33mill? He's not very good.

 

That seems like a LOT of money for Aoki... I don't see that on the table from anyone else.

[kgm1]

That seems like a LOT of money for Aoki... I don't see that on the table from anyone else.

 

With Dirks , Mayberry, Gose, Pillar,and Pompey on the roster I don't see a need for spending that kind of money on Aoki when the existing holes at 2nd and bull pen are pretty glaring . I still see CF as Pompey,s job to lose . Think of the hype AA can create if he wins the CF job in ST which he could easily do.

Thing is everything changes if they resign Melky .

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Unless you offer a top prospect, what motivation do they have to part with a 1st round pick?

 

They would still get one if Melky walks, balances out does it not?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So once you have been you receive a Q.O you can not sign a long term deal or be traded?

 

Think you are missing the point.

 

Is there a rule that doesn't allow such a transaction to be made?

 

I they are both going to be free agents!

 

Thanks tips! Lol

[Governator]

So once you have been you receive a Q.O you can not sign a long term deal or be traded?

 

Think you are missing the point.

 

 

How can you trade a contract when there isn't one?

[Laika]

Fallback trade target - Luis Valbuena.

 

2 years of control left

Projected by MLBTR to make 3.1M in arbitration this year

2.7 fWAR in 2014

Projected for 2.4 fWAR in 2015

In his physical prime

Plays 2B and 3B with varying competency

Infield in Chicago is absolutely clogged with Bryant/Baez/Russell/Castro. Alcantara is an infielder by trade too. And Olt can backup 3B with pinch hitting pop.

 

Cubs could conceivably compete with more pitching.

 

Proposal - JA Happ straight up for Luis Valbuena.

[TDotttt2005]

Fallback trade target - Luis Valbuena.

 

2 years of control left

Projected by MLBTR to make 3.1M in arbitration this year

2.7 fWAR in 2014

Projected for 2.4 fWAR in 2015

In his physical prime

Plays 2B and 3B with varying competency

Infield in Chicago is absolutely clogged with Bryant/Baez/Russell/Castro. Alcantara is an infielder by trade too. And Olt can backup 3B with pinch hitting pop.

 

Cubs could conceivably compete with more pitching.

 

Proposal - JA Happ straight up for Luis Valbuena.

 

Cubs will actually save their trade assets, and use free agency to bulk up their pitching for the most part. How it should be done.

[Laika]

Steamer says that Valbuena is about as good a 3B option as Prado or Aramis.

 

I feel like the market wouldn't value him as even close to being in the same tier as those guys though. By market value he would be closer to bench / UTIL rates... I think.

[Laika]

TheHurl's been saying he'll be a Jay for sometime now. I could see it.

 

well if thehurl thought it was a good idea then it'll never happen and I should be ashamed.

[glory]

Do you really want AA trading with Epstein/Hoyer? Valbuena would be a great fit but knowing the Cubs they will get Sanchez and Pompey in return.

[Deadpool]

Do you really want AA trading with Epstein/Hoyer? Valbuena would be a great fit but knowing the Cubs they will get Sanchez and Pompey in return.

 

They can want whatever they want... There isn't a GM in the game dumb enough to make that trade.

[KingKat]

They can want whatever they want... There isn't a GM in the game dumb enough to make that trade.

 

I think his point is that the Cubs established a pattern of holding out for the best offer with the way they handled the Samaridzija trade. It might not be possible to obtain Valbuena from them without overpaying.

[Laika]

Happ comes with more than double the salary and one less year of control, and LV is projected to put up better WAR. Not to mention positional scarcity in the FA market favors low end pitchers like Happ over above average/average infielders. I think you could eat half of Happs salary and they probably still don't bite.

 

Toronto "wins" on paper, sure, but the fact is that most MLB trades have one side winning paper due to the simple fact that there are a finite number of players, sellers, and buyers - and thus a finite number of options available to teams. Ideal trades where the scales line up perfectly are incredibly rare.

[Angrioter]

[Gorlak]

 

I assume this means he will give out low ball offers before other teams give out their competitive offers.

[Laika]

 

They're not just gonna lead the league in waiver claims... they'll f***ing LAP the league!

 

Waiver claims yeah!

[kgm1]

They're not just gonna lead the league in waiver claims... they'll f***ing LAP the league!

 

Waiver claims yeah!

 

I have had no problem with any of AA,s waiver claims so far this year. The Hendricks deal pissed me off because he eats a roster spot but really the 40 man has some room .

[Angrioter]

 

Lombardozzi, Barney, Galvis?

 

Dan Vogelbach and Arismendy Alcantara are available