Toronto Sun: Alex Anthopoulos will return next year

[glory]

I think I would trade Hutchison in the off-season if he fetches something good. Gibbons has destroyed him with this season's high workload coming off Tommy John. If you could combine him and Sanchez to get an ace (Hamels?), do it.

[Governator]

Keep Stroman & Hutch, maybe Norris & Lawrie.

 

 

Everyone else gets new Jerseys

 

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[GeorgiaPeach]

I really like Stroman, but if he has a strong finish to the season they should consider dealing him for someone more established. Like you said this is if they can actually add to payroll.

 

Unfortunately the Jays aren't as committed financially as a bunch of other teams, so a move like this would set us back.

 

Eg. I'd rather keep Stroman and throw a 7/140m contract at Maeda, than trade Stroman for a guy making 15-20m per.

 

You see what you have there? Two assets making similar money to one.

[G-Snarls]

Keep Stroman & Hutch, maybe Norris & Lawrie.

 

 

Everyone else gets new Jerseys

 

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No. Edwin is on such a deal of a contract. He is irreplaceable for that money or anywhere near it. AA would trade away only is he was tearing the whole thing down, which (rightly or wrongly) he is not. He is not trading Edwin for prospects at this point.

[BigCecil]

No. Edwin is on such a deal of a contract. He is irreplaceable for that money or anywhere near it. AA would trade away only is he was tearing the whole thing down, which (rightly or wrongly) he is not. He is not trading Edwin for prospects at this point.

 

I cant see any package that makes trading Edwin away make any sense with that now proven production at that price through 2016.

 

Unless its a scorched earth rebuild for top prospects and middle road MLB talent to fill the holes it would make for now, but we are in a half pregnant organizational strategy at present so that won't happen....yet.

 

After being so optimistic this season(apparently overly) I now see pain ahead...with the only real bright spot being potential young arms developing.

[P2F]

I really like Stroman, but if he has a strong finish to the season they should consider dealing him for someone more established. Like you said this is if they can actually add to payroll.

 

Why in the f*** would this be a good idea? Stroman has already contributed 2+ WAR. That means he's having as good of a season as guys that are more established (like Yovanni Gallardo, Justin Verlander, Matt Garza, Ervin Santana, John Lackey), for a fraction of the cost - and in about half the innings pitched.

 

I'm really glad you're not the one being paid to make these decisions.

[glory]

No. Edwin is on such a deal of a contract. He is irreplaceable for that money or anywhere near it. AA would trade away only is he was tearing the whole thing down, which (rightly or wrongly) he is not. He is not trading Edwin for prospects at this point.

 

He is on a great contract, but if the team doesn't look like a contender with him and Bautista, wouldn't it make sense to cash in on his great contract for players that could help in the future? The Jays are in a very familiar spot post-1993, and that's on a treadmill. They need to either trade prospects for vets in order to win (as they won't sign anyone) or scale back. Anything in between (i.e. this past off-season) will only result in an 80-85 win season and no playoff appearance.

[ElNik2013]

I think Simmons will end up wrong...again. I think this new guy at Rogers will make changes. 5 years is enough time. Took on lots of money and the results didn't follow, I think AA will be fired.

[BigCecil]

He is on a great contract, but if the team doesn't look like a contender with him and Bautista, wouldn't it make sense to cash in on his great contract for players that could help in the future? The Jays are in a very familiar spot post-1993, and that's on a treadmill. They need to either trade prospects for vets in order to win (as they won't sign anyone) or scale back. Anything in between (i.e. this past off-season) will only result in an 80-85 win season and no playoff appearance.

 

There is no rush...if they bomb coming out of gate next year Edwin and/or Jose can be moved with buying team control for 1.33 years or more. That's still enticing for a good haul if they are having decent years.

 

If a miracle happens and we are truly contending they swing away...for us.

[BTS]

I'm not going to pretend to know much of anything about the way Rogers does business, but under their ownership, the Raptors and this offseason the Leafs seem to be acquiring excellent front-office personnel. Can you folks more in tune with the Toronto sports scene shed light on the possibility that whoever is in charge of running the Leafs and Raptors businesses might also work some magic with the Jays? Or are the Jays completely unrelated?

[GD]

I'm not going to pretend to know much of anything about the way Rogers does business, but under their ownership, the Raptors and this offseason the Leafs seem to be acquiring excellent front-office personnel. Can you folks more in tune with the Toronto sports scene shed light on the possibility that whoever is in charge of running the Leafs and Raptors businesses might also work some magic with the Jays? Or are the Jays completely unrelated?

 

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MLSE's president is behind that. Doesn't affect the Jays in the least. There is no hope.

[BTS]

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MLSE's president is behind that. Doesn't affect the Jays in the least. There is no hope.

 

Right. So there's no chance Leiweke gets involved in the search for the Jays' next president?

[burlingtonbandit]

Right. So there's no chance Leiweke gets involved in the search for the Jays' next president?

 

Nope. Leiweke works for MLSE which Rogers owns a % of. He is also most likely going to be leaving in the next year.

[P2F]

Nope. Leiweke works for MLSE which Rogers owns a % of. He is also most likely going to be leaving in the next year.

 

At this point, that's just hearsay.

[BTS]

Nope. Leiweke works for MLSE which Rogers owns a % of. He is also most likely going to be leaving in the next year.

 

Why? As someone who hates the Leafs, this pleases me.

[GD]

Right. So there's no chance Leiweke gets involved in the search for the Jays' next president?

 

If they did, it would be a consulting outside of the job description favor. Which would be a good idea and something I could see happening in terms of plausibility, but it's highly unlikely and he has no obligation to.

[GD]

Why? As someone who hates the Leafs, this pleases me.

 

It probably isn't actually happening. Don't worry. Plus, we already have Shannaban and Ujiri so the ground is set to watch the Sens fail for years to come.

[G-Snarls]

Why? As someone who hates the Leafs, this pleases me.

 

Word is he doesn't like living here and maybe doesn't like the job

[BTS]

It probably isn't actually happening. Don't worry. Plus, we already have Shannaban and Ujiri so the ground is set to watch the Sens fail for years to come.

 

I'm probably a Buffalo fan now if anything. I've always liked Tim Murray, and have Sam Reinhart on both my hockey leagues.

[burlingtonbandit]

Why? As someone who hates the Leafs, this pleases me.

 

Apparently he could have something else lined up and is rumored that his family hates the weather in Toronto. Or that he wants a new "challenge". Of the 3 sports teams he oversees the Leafs probably have benefited the least from him as Shanahan has been the guy hiring all the analytic guys.

[GD]

I'm probably a Buffalo fan now if anything. I've always liked Tim Murray, and have Sam Reinhart on both my hockey leagues.

 

You disgust me.

[P2F]

I'm probably a Buffalo fan now if anything. I've always liked Tim Murray, and have Sam Reinhart on both my hockey leagues.

 

Jokes?

[burlingtonbandit]

It probably isn't actually happening. Don't worry. Plus, we already have Shannaban and Ujiri so the ground is set to watch the Sens fail for years to come.

 

Sens won;t go anywhere with an Owner that has the smallest payroll in the league and management that doesn't operate in a way to be competitive with a low payroll. They just signed a number 8 Dman to a 3/3.3 contract.

[BTS]

Jokes?

 

No. Hockey is far too dumn for me to actually care about it.

[BTS]

Holy s***, Ottawa signed Clarke MacArthur for 5 years @ 4.65 today.

[GD]

No. Hockey is far too dumn for me to actually care about it.

 

Cheer up BTDumn, maybe one day the Sens will hire some blogger like Travis Yost and he- oh no oh man that's unfortunate.

[burlingtonbandit]

Holy s***, Ottawa signed Clarke MacArthur for 5 years @ 4.65 today.

 

Pretty good deal for both sides.

[BTS]

Cheer up BTDumn, maybe one day the Sens will hire some blogger like Travis Yost and he- oh no oh man that's unfortunate.

 

lol, holy s***. Eugene Melnyk is so f***ing shady.

[Slugger]

I thought this board was started for rational baseball discussion? Not f***ing retards. Some of the things I've read in this thread are incredible. Some of you guys want the perfect team with the perfect GM, which is obviously a fantasy. AA doesn't deserve to be fired, at least not yet anyway. Everyone sucked this guys cock when he first came on board, hoarding assets, cutting fat from the roster, etc. He was doing a re-build better than the textbook.

 

The problem/blessing is that something happened to AA that basically never happens to any GM; he won the lottery, twice.

 

Two bench players turned into premier power hitters out of the blue, giving him a fairly impressive core to build from. When AA was presented with a massive trade that 99% of GM's would've pulled the trigger on (if it was financially feasible) he pulled it hard. Because that's what GM's are supposed to do; win right now. If you think the team wasn't at the very least improved on paper than you're delusional. He used assets that he collected over his first few years and traded them for proven major league talent.

 

Now, I think I was one of the most hesitant people here. Yeah, it was really exciting and something I wasn't used too, but I was still hesitant. The year was of course was a disaster as injuries and down years from almost every player happened all at once. Is that AA's fault?

 

All of a sudden we have an aging team with declining players and everyone sucks and yadda-yadda.

 

I was disappointed no one was acquired in the off-season like every fan of every team is, but I understand that the Jays aren't in a trade "talent for talent" situation. However; it is ridiculous that AA couldn't beef up the bench, can't really defend that. But as far as bringing in an impact 2B? Long shot. There's also the fact that players might turn down Toronto. Just because you offer a deal, doesn't mean they're on their way and I can't believe I even have to verbalize that.

 

The deadline this year? I found it absolutely absurd that the Blue Jays couldn't acquire Martin Prado. I heard cries that it would "take AB's away from Lawrie." in which I would say "Good." Lawrie is an excellent defender but is very overrated in general. I can't stand when people lump him in with the best players on the team, "Oh, wait until Lind and Lawrie come back." What? You mean the guy with the .700 ops? Sounds like maybe some politics in upper management, or maybe they simply didn't have the funds to get Prado. Either way, I was very disappointed.

 

But to s*** on Hutch in his first full season? If the guy starts 30 games and posts an ERA under 4.50 we should be happy, if Stroman and Sanchez can finish the year strong, we should be happy. The biggest issue that plagued this organization for 2 decades was its absolute futility in drafting starting pitchers and with AA we have 3 on the same team, contributing. I'm not an AA apologist by any means but I am reasonable. To me, AA will last as long as Bautista and it's fitting as his emergence has totally shaped his tenure.

 

Don't hate on the kids, don't hate the GM, but give s*** to the leaders on the field, to the guys counted on winning games. Hearing these guys deflecting blame or finding excuses is unacceptable and it infuriates me. "Now you know what Bautista was talking about." STFU and play baseball. If the team, which is supposed to be good, continues to suck, then yes...the circle of life continues and management falls.

 

Besides, what would a replacement do? "Wow, we have a lot of good pieces here." (Acquires Johnny Gomes).

 

/end rant

[GNick49]

Chances are Jays will stumble out of gate next year, doubt he will make much improvement over winter, which should take care of Anthopoulos and Co. Edited August 20, 2014 by GNick49