GDT(2/3): Toronto Blue Jays @ Texas Rangers - Buehrle vs. Ross Jr. - 8:05 PM ET

[Atothe]

With Nick Martinez pitching? Don't bet on it. That Darvish game was one the Rangers needed.. otherwise, they'd likely be at risk of a sweep. This Rangers team is REALLY bad right now, possibly worse than the Astros. At least the Astros have plenty of young talent coming up this summer.. Rangers traded most of their prospects away in previous years, and Joey Gallo and Jorge Alfaro are still more than a year away.

 

What, Perez, Holland, Harrison, Feliz, Andrus, Profar, martin, hallo, alfaro and another wave of young international studs coming after that. This is a very good organization having a terrible stretch of bad luck. They will get healthy and win 90+ games for years to come.

[Ash70]

LOL

 

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Yeah but does Janssen throw 97, have a wipeout slider or get swinging strikes? Nope. He'll never be that guy.

 

Also, he has a 5.60 xFIP now on the season. Some of you guys are getting a little too excited.

 

Janssen is 59/64 ( 92%) in save opportunities. Santos is 39/54 ( 72% ). It's not even close. Now if Santos saves the next 140 in a row, he gets to 92%.

[guylaroche5]

Janssen is 59/64 ( 92%) in save opportunities. Santos is 39/54 ( 72% ). It's not even close. Now if Santos saves the next 140 in a row, he gets to 92%.

 

just in case you don't understand the basic concept of fractions

[Ash70]

Above gif, courtesy of http://www.thescore.com/news/504236

[flafson]

Funny how granny on the left side is also trying to steal it.

[G-Snarls]

Edwin needs to send fewer bats flying into the stands

[GD]

Janssen is 59/64 ( 92%) in save opportunities. Santos is 39/54 ( 72% ). It's not even close. Now if Santos saves the next 140 in a row, he gets to 92%.

 

Hey CHP, why didn't you join the board hockey league? We would've loved to have you.

[BigCecil]

Yeah but does Janssen throw 97, have a wipeout slider or get swinging strikes? Nope. He'll never be that guy.

 

Also, he has a 5.60 xFIP now on the season. Some of you guys are getting a little too excited.

 

CJ isn't 2012 CJ and he isn't even 2013 CJ yet. He is struggling to command that slow curve he likes to drop in missing badly with it. He is getting it done so far in a short sample size and Im glad he is back. But he lives on the edge like MB and he will need to get sharper on his command. Heres hoping he does.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Yeah but does Janssen throw 97, have a wipeout slider or get swinging strikes? Nope. He'll never be that guy.

 

Also, he has a 5.60 xFIP now on the season. Some of you guys are getting a little too excited.

 

I can't tell if this is serious or sarcasm.

 

There is zero debate as to who the more effective reliever is. Santos can't even hold Casey's jock.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Joey Bats already at 2.3 WAR

 

On pace for around 8 WAR

 

Guy is showing no signs of slowing down. Unbelievable.

[ElNik2013]

Joey Bats already at 2.3 WAR

 

On pace for around 8 WAR

 

Guy is showing no signs of slowing down. Unbelievable.

 

Wasn't there a thread about Joey Bats's demise last year? I think there was, but I ain't bumping it for fear of THE JINX.

[shortstop]

JB's attitude is so much better this year...has he complained once to an ump? Just great to see him focus on baseball...

 

2 above .500 is good but this team needs a cushion - something like 5-10 games above .500...question is can they beat teams during a stretch where that team is playing well...

[G-Snarls]

Wasn't there a thread about Joey Bats's demise last year? I think there was, but I ain't bumping it for fear of THE JINX.

 

Yeah at points many were worried than he was in decline. But it looks like he's still.got it. Last 2 seasons were probably only sub par because of injuries.

[G-Snarls]

He could be a top 5 MVP candidate easily.

 

Killer OBP and HR/RBI numbers and playing a solid RF with killer arm.

 

And yes he seems more "in the game" than ever. All business. Very little griping.

 

He's a terrifying beast for opposing teams, especially when EE and Francisco are backing him up and hitting too.

[G-Snarls]

Pick any stat and it's ridiculous

 

1.000 OPS

172 OPS+

176 wRC+

.430 wOBA

 

FFS...

[Bunchedundies]

Got our "Ace" on the mound to go for the kill, types of games you want to win, to really get some momentum going, I wont feel comfortable until this team is a good amount above .500.

[Bunchedundies]

Joey Bats already at 2.3 WAR

 

On pace for around 8 WAR

 

Guy is showing no signs of slowing down. Unbelievable.

 

Amazing and he is still underappreciated in the media (US media more so) I think, all I hear is trout, trout, cabrera......Deservedly so, but bautista is in the conversation imo, a step below, but still, one of the best in the game.

[G-Snarls]

Got our "Ace" on the mound to go for the kill, types of games you want to win, to really get some momentum going, I wont feel comfortable until this team is a good amount above .500.

 

... and we've identified another quality SP to go with Hutch and Buerhle

[eastcoastjaysfan]

There is debate. Steamer greatly favours Santos RoS.

 

Santos might never pitch in the majors again.

 

Janssen has consistently outperformed the advanced metrics for 4 straight seasons.

 

It's pointless to debate when one guy can't even pitch any longer.

[Bunchedundies]

... and we've identified another quality SP to go with Hutch and Buerhle

 

Who? Stroman? Hendricks?

[G-Snarls]

Who? Stroman? Hendricks?

 

Well that's it. Don't know who.

 

This team is going to grumble around .500 if we have 2/5 starters who blow up regularly.

 

Buerhrle and Hutch have both been beyond great

 

Dickey looks like he's probably going to be mostly good this year

 

If we continuously throw gascans out there after those guys we can't keep pace. 1-2 among Stroman/Redmond/Happ/Nolin/Hendricks have to be at least decent or we need to trade for somebody.

[Bunchedundies]

Well that's it. Don't know who.

 

This team is going to grumble around .500 if we have 2/5 starters who blow up regularly.

 

Buerhrle and Hutch have both been beyond great

 

Dickey looks like he's probably going to be mostly good this year

 

If we continuously throw gascans out there after those guys we can't keep pace. 1-2 among Stroman/Redmond/Happ/Nolin/Hendricks have to be at least decent or we need to trade for somebody.

 

Oh yes totally agree, we need a young arm to step up, hope stroman is the guy. Sorry I thought you meant we HAve identified another starter, I am hung over, feels like my head might cave in so I am not thinking clearly today.

 

Friggin Brandon Morrow , if he was reliable this team would he way better shape, and f*** Erwin Santana.

[G-Snarls]

AL race: Trout, Bautista, Miggy

BL race: Tulo, Stanton, Puig

 

Agree in terms of voting. And yet Josh Donaldson leads Trout Bautista and Cabrera in WAR by a sizeable margin.

 

Talk about unappreciated...

 

Edit: By BBRef WAR and ESPN. By Fangraphs Trout has a slight lead.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Outperforming means nothing. Relievers outperform consistently because they enter with more than 0 out sometimes which reduces their ERA. Probably not case with Janssen but you need over 1200IP to even consider outperforming being a skill.

 

We debate this almost daily now. Neither side will bend.

 

Casey has consistently gotten results while Santos is consistently imploding or rotting on the DL. You favour Santos' pure stuff while I favour Casey's ability to actually throw strikes.

 

Let's just agree to disagree.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Not that I'm disagreeing with your point that Janssen is better than Santos, but since the start of 2011 Janssen has a 2.40 ERA and 3.1 xFIP over 176 innings. Nobody would think twice if a starting pitcher's ERA was 0.7 runs above/below his xFIP over the course of 28 starts, so why bring it up for a reliever? I really hate when sample size gets punted when people talk about relief pitchers.

 

JFaS consistently uses small samples to back up his points relating to Santos as well.

 

Anyways, it's pointless to debate this any longer. Nothing good can come of it. I hope Santos comes back and lives up to the hype but I won't hold my breath.

[G-Snarls]

Oh yes totally agree, we need a young arm to step up, hope stroman is the guy. Sorry I thought you meant we HAve identified another starter, I am hung over, feels like my head might cave in so I am not thinking clearly today.

 

Friggin Brandon Morrow , if he was reliable this team would he way better shape, and f*** Erwin Santana.

 

I know

 

Morrow drives me crazy. And Santana would have been great in place of McGowan/Happ.

[GD]

AL race: Trout, Bautista, Miggy

BL race: Tulo, Stanton, Puig

 

 

nice

[G-Snarls]

nice

 

BL = Bush League??

 

(for the record I didn't even notice the typo LOL)

[Atothe]

I'd love to see Donaldson get an MVP. Guy is absolutely elite, but gets underrated for a lot of the same reasons Trout does.

 

No MVP for him unless Might or trout are either hurt or suck for a good stretch. You're right though he's still amazingly underrated.