Rasmus possibly to DL, Kevin Pillar called up

[saskjayfan]

Better defence than Colby.

 

not according to fangraphs he wasn't. Gose is a mental midget....he misses cutoffs, air mails home when he should be throwing to 2nd. Sure, he's fast. He has a strong arm, but he has one of the least accurate arms I've seen in a long time. Does he read the ball well off the bat?

 

People seem to equate speed to amazing defense. The arm and decision making plays into the defense as well. Gose has the raw skillset to be a GG defensive player...but he certainly did not display good defense last year.

[Frenchsoup]

not according to fangraphs he wasn't. Gose is a mental midget....he misses cutoffs, air mails home when he should be throwing to 2nd. Sure, he's fast. He has a strong arm, but he has one of the least accurate arms I've seen in a long time. Does he read the ball well off the bat?

 

People seem to equate speed to amazing defense. The arm and decision making plays into the defense as well. Gose has the raw skillset to be a GG defensive player...but he certainly did not display good defense last year.

 

All the things you listed colby does as well except colby has a terrible arm

[Stangstag]

People seem to equate speed to amazing defense. The arm and decision making plays into the defense as well. Gose has the raw skillset to be a GG defensive player...but he certainly did not display good defense last year.

 

I'm not sure what you were watching last year. Gose has excellent D. His only problem seems to be calling for the ball to prevent collisions (which admittedly is a pretty big problem)

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Your solution for CF when Rasmus isn't with us in June/July 2014....2015?

 

Would still not be Gose! And where is Colby going?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I'm not sure what you were watching last year. Gose has excellent D. His only problem seems to be calling for the ball to prevent collisions (which admittedly is a pretty big problem)

 

That and throwing the ball at people who he shouldn't or not looking! Lol

[Stangstag]

Nice chance here for Gose to play everyday in CF and see what value he provides. Its definate upgrade defensively. But Rasmus extra base hits have been impressive despite his overall struggle and high strikeout rate.

 

Gose will get his fair share of extra-base hits due to his speed. Its the homers that will be missing.

[GD]

not according to fangraphs he wasn't.

 

LOL @ quoting an 803 inning sample size over multiple seasons when defensive stats don't stabilize anywhere near that

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Gose will get his fair share of extra-base hits due to his speed. Its the homers that will be missing.

 

Only problem with that theory he can't hit to save his life!

[saskjayfan]

LOL @ quoting an 803 inning sample size over multiple seasons when defensive stats don't stabilize anywhere near that

 

I specifically stated last year his defense was not gold glove caliber. Sure he made 5 errors, which is a lot for a full season let alone a month of playing time, but it was his decision making that was troubling. Having a strong arm does you nothing if you airmail the cut off man and throw home, when you should be cutting the runner down and throwing to second.

 

I don't think Gose is a mentally strong player based on his hitting and his defense. He has the skills to be a good defensive player, but he has to show it before I'm going to anoint him a gold glove defender and his defense was not good last year. I'm shocked that everyone had conveniently wiped from their memory all the dumb mistakes this guy made in the field last year.

[GeorgiaPeach]

not according to fangraphs he wasn't. Gose is a mental midget....he misses cutoffs, air mails home when he should be throwing to 2nd. Sure, he's fast. He has a strong arm, but he has one of the least accurate arms I've seen in a long time. Does he read the ball well off the bat?

 

I remember him missing the cut off being a knock from before, and its something you grow out of or can easily be told to stop doing. IMO its more of having a rocket arm and wanting to gun everyone down on your own. The OF's main concern should be to deliver the ball to the cutoff/IF as quickly as possible and his job is done. You can never fault an OF for hitting the cutoff man, on pretty much every play.

 

People seem to equate speed to amazing defense.

 

I never said he had amazing defence. And you don't need to tell me that speed doesn't equate to amazing defence otherwise Rickey Henderson & Vince Coleman wouldn't have been left fielders most of their careers. The thing is, when Colby leaves the Jays shortly who mans CF?

 

The arm and decision making plays into the defense as well. Gose has the raw skillset to be a GG defensive player...but he certainly did not display good defense last year.

 

Why are people using GG to describe the quality of defence. We've seen enough Gold Gloves handed out to players who absolutely don't deserve a GG.

[GD]

Only problem with that theory he can't hit to save his life!

 

And yet he's still better than Goins.

 

I specifically stated last year his defense was not gold glove caliber. Sure he made 5 errors, which is a lot for a full season let alone a month of playing time, but it was his decision making that was troubling. Having a strong arm does you nothing if you airmail the cut off man and throw home, when you should be cutting the runner down and throwing to second.

 

You missed my point entirely. You quoted defensive statistics in a small sample size. Not even a full season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Would still not be Gose! And where is Colby going?

 

Seeing as Colby's a free agent next year and moving away from his prime years, I'm kinda hoping Alex doesn't sink 15m a year into a 2nd tier CF and extend him.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Only problem with that theory he can't hit to save his life!

 

At some point people need to stop looking at one stat to characterize a player.

[saskjayfan]

At some point people need to stop looking at one stat to characterize a player.

 

when it's the most important stat.....or are we recalling goins any day now after realizing our dumb mistake for characterising his play by solely looking at one stat.

[saskjayfan]

And yet he's still better than Goins.

 

 

 

You missed my point entirely. You quoted defensive statistics in a small sample size. Not even a full season.

 

you missed my point...I'm not a saber guy and many people quote stats with way too small of sample sizes, which I always complain about...and now people saber guys are making qualitative judgements about a guy when the statistics, however small they are, don't back that position up. It just seems funny to me.

[GeorgiaPeach]

when it's the most important stat.....or are we recalling goins any day now after realizing our dumb mistake for characterising his play by solely looking at one stat.

 

Is that the same Ryan Goins who was always played old to the level in the minors and put up pretty pedestrian numbers that people expected something off?

 

If Gose were to be given the CF job, hit 250/315/365, stole 30-40, and played the defence I've seen for LG MIN. I'd be happier than paying Rasmus 15m to do what he does or trading more farm for a very expensive old CF that all the fans know.

[ElNik2013]

I don't even know what the arguing is all about. Fact is that Rasmus may go on the DL and Gose had better be called up to play CF even if Rasmus is only out for a few days. I guess some people would rather see Bautista or Cabrera in CF in Rasmus's absence. Rasmus and Cabrera are FA at the end of the season and this team can't afford to keep both so I think they'll keep Cabrera and likely go with a Gose/Pillar or Mastroianni platoon in CF.

 

I don't mind that OF as long as they improve 2B, the bench and the rotation.

[GD]

you missed my point...I'm not a saber guy and many people quote stats with way too small of sample sizes, which I always complain about...and now people saber guys are making qualitative judgements about a guy when the statistics, however small they are, don't back that position up. It just seems funny to me.

 

At this sample size, they cannot be taken to have significant meaning. They don't back any position up. This is what I'm trying to get through to you. Saber guys know that the sample size is small, and believe it or not, we actually watch games. f***ing shock, right? It's very apparent that Gose is an incredible defensive OF. The statistics behind that are irrelevant until the sample size increases and should not be brought up as they don't defend or argue one specific position yet.

 

Same problems as Goins last year. The defensive stats were in a horribly small sample, but the quality of his defense was apparent from merely watching. And when we get the extended sample size (hopefully for Gose and not Goins), we'll be able to use them to back someone up.

[saskjayfan]

At this sample size, they cannot be taken to have significant meaning. They don't back any position up. This is what I'm trying to get through to you. Saber guys know that the sample size is small, and believe it or not, we actually watch games. f***ing shock, right? It's very apparent that Gose is an incredible defensive OF. The statistics behind that are irrelevant until the sample size increases and should not be brought up as they don't defend or argue one specific position yet.

 

Same problems as Goins last year. The defensive stats were in a horribly small sample, but the quality of his defense was apparent from merely watching. And when we get the extended sample size (hopefully for Gose and not Goins), we'll be able to use them to back someone up.

 

an incredible defensive player throws the baseball to the right base.....Gose is still developing defensively. Does Gose make wise decisions? Does Gose have an accurate arm?

The answer to both those questions is no. I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion based on what you've seen of the guy. Those areas can potentially be improved upon. He's not an incredible defensive player at present time.

[Sammy225]

All this talk of Hammys to start the year is making mine a little tight.....

[shortstop]

Is that the same Ryan Goins who was always played old to the level in the minors and put up pretty pedestrian numbers that people expected something off?

 

If Gose were to be given the CF job, hit 250/315/365, stole 30-40, and played the defence I've seen for LG MIN. I'd be happier than paying Rasmus 15m to do what he does or trading more farm for a very expensive old CF that all the fans know.

 

this is pretty much my opinion. However, if Rasmus is willing to take a more reasonable deal, likely to be coming back next year. My sense is fair market value is not what AA will want to pay Rasmus & will qualify him/let him walk.

 

as an aside, I've been frustrated watching how many balls get over Rasmus' head the past few weeks & left wondering how the heck he didn't get to it...

[wilko]

 

as an aside, I've been frustrated watching how many balls get over Rasmus' head the past few weeks & left wondering how the heck he didn't get to it...

 

Bad reads on the ball.

[Governator]

When Rasmus hits the DL, Getz will be brought up because I'm pretty sure that would make the most sense in AA's mind.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

And yet he's still better than Goins

 

Base on what pray tell? Defensively the both hold the same value to the team!

 

And age aside you even feel Ryan has out hit him.

 

Let him figure it out right where he is rather the making just another yo-yo on crazy Alex's string!

 

He needs time to mature , get bats and play!

 

Fourth outfielder and pinch runner and the bench will not help him to be what we want and need him to be next year!

[Convo]

Bad reads on the ball.

 

No, he certainly does not. Poor positioning maybe, I think his reads are very good.

[Daniel Labude]

Pillar to be recalled, but no DL for Rasmus at this time. Probably Diaz goes down

[Frenchsoup]

Pillar to be recalled, but no DL for Rasmus at this time. Probably Diaz goes down

 

i don't get this at all....JUST 15 DAY DL HIM he's not even good

[The_DH]

Why do all our guys have ham string problems? Wasn't that something we were supposed to address last off season?

[TheHurl]

Why do all our guys have ham string problems? Wasn't that something we were supposed to address last off season?

 

hamstrings are highly contagious

[Frenchsoup]

Why do all our guys have ham string problems? Wasn't that something we were supposed to address last off season?

 

one of the reasons is they don't rest them properly, need to dl this guy especially at a position where u really need your legs.