Bluejays Inability to homegrow talent

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Im talking about our ability to develop and bring up players from our minor league system that can be stars in the Majors. The last players like this were Vernon Wells, and obviously Roy Halladay (not without a few bumps). My point is that the Jays are so unsuccessful in this aspect, probably our top homegrown player right now is Adam Lind. If anything this is another reason why Aaron Sanchez should NOT be traded, and why that D'arnaud trade should sting.

[Candy Maldonado]

If the jays can't develop players then what's the point in keeping any prospects? We should trade them all away.

[Fearthedoc]

If anything this is another reason why Aaron Sanchez should NOT be traded

 

Isn't this contradicting your main point? You're saying that we can't develop players from the minors to the majors. Wouldn't we then want to trade Sanchez before we fail with his transition to higher levels, and eventually the majors?

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Rays didn't homegrown Myers. Shame!!!

 

Its ok they have homegrown nearly every other player. Even big spenders like the Yankees and Redsox have done a better job at homegrowing players than the Jays...

[Candy Maldonado]

Its ok they have homegrown nearly every other player. Even big spenders like the Yankees and Redsox have done a better job at homegrowing players than the Jays...

 

Aaron Hill, Romero, Cecil, Janssen. Henderson Alvarez threw a no-hitter last season, Yan Gomes

[TheHurl]

Jays issue might be that they can't evaluate talent, and/or have philosophical issues with what it takes to be a successful player.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

lol alvarez wasnt with Jays for that no-no, Gomes when traded had his best year with another team, we seem to have good luck with relievers. Romero is a one year wonder, and Aaron Hill broke down only to be rejuvenated when traded. Your point ?

[TheHurl]

Rays have developed 13 of the 39 players on their current roster (9 pitchers, 4 hitters). Jays have developed 15 of the 40 on their team (9 pitchers, 6 hitters)

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Its because we are not growing the RIGHT talent, I believe Aaron Sanchez translates well into a ML player. Stroman Im not too keen on I would rather him be traded. The reason our development sucks is because of the players we choose to develop and herald as our future stars, while we trade away the real prospects with any chance of stardom like D'arnaud.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Rays have developed 13 of the 39 players on their current roster (9 pitchers, 4 hitters). Jays have developed 15 of the 40 on their team (9 pitchers, 6 hitters)

 

really how many of those 6 hitters and 9 pitchers are actually worth anything, the quality of the players we develop are a joke.

[Candy Maldonado]

lol alvarez wasnt with Jays for that no-no, Gomes when traded had his best year with another team, we seem to have good luck with relievers. Romero is a one year wonder, and Aaron Hill broke down only to be rejuvenated when traded. Your point ?

 

Oh you didn't say they have to still be with the Jays when they hit it big. So if you are giving other teams the credit for their successes. Then shouldn't you give the Jays credit for guys like Bautista, Encarnacion, Lawrie, Morrow and Rasmus. What's your point?

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Sure I give them credit for that, but they arent homegrown lol your going away from the point. I give them credit in Developing major-league ready players but not for players who are in the minors then transitioning them to the majors...

[G-Snarls]

Rays have developed 13 of the 39 players on their current roster (9 pitchers, 4 hitters). Jays have developed 15 of the 40 on their team (9 pitchers, 6 hitters)

 

Numbers do not = quality though

 

We don't have a Price or Longoria

[TheHurl]

Its because we are not growing the RIGHT talent, I believe Aaron Sanchez translates well into a ML player. Stroman Im not too keen on I would rather him be traded. The reason our development sucks is because of the players we choose to develop and herald as our future stars, while we trade away the real prospects with any chance of stardom like D'arnaud.

 

so this isn't at all about anything with the Jays this is about you.

[Candy Maldonado]

Sure I give them credit for that, but they arent homegrown lol your going away from the point. I give them credit in Developing major-league ready players but not for players who are in the minors then transitioning them to the majors...

 

I already mentioned guys and you said they don't count because now they are with other teams. You didn't answer the other point I made. If the Jays can't develop talent then why do you want to keep guys like D'arnaud and Sanchez?

[TheHurl]

Numbers do not = quality though

 

We don't have a Price or Longoria

 

again I go back to evaluation/philosophical issues. Again I go back to K-rates. Every single hitter we moved cut their K-rates.

[G-Snarls]

Oh you didn't say they have to still be with the Jays when they hit it big. So if you are giving other teams the credit for their successes. Then shouldn't you give the Jays credit for guys like Bautista, Encarnacion, Lawrie, Morrow and Rasmus. What's your point?

 

We have seen more guys flourish after arriving here than we have seen guys flourish after leaving. You're right.

 

But the OP (with whom I disagree) was really referring to what happens in the minor leagues. Of the guys you mentioned, only Lawrie spent much time in our minor league system. Though even Edwin was down for a bit I guess.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

so this isn't at all about anything with the Jays this is about you.

 

what lol ?

[TheHurl]

only Lawrie spent much time in our minor league system.

 

Half a season is "much time"

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

If you read what I said in my other posts on here I also mention that we fail in keeping the talent which probably have higher success rates for transitioning in the Majors. This is subjective but I believe Sanchez and D'arnaud would have a hard time being busts whether the development they receive is good or not, its called a "blue-chip prospect".

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

The jays can spend all they want but they cant develop talent like the Yankees, Sox, or Cards so they will never be a dynasty until they fix whatever issues they have that are preventing the successful development of minor league prospects to high-impact star players in the Majors.

[Candy Maldonado]

If you read what I said in my other posts on here I also mention that we fail in keeping the talent which probably have higher success rates for transitioning in the Majors. This is subjective but I believe Sanchez and D'arnaud would have a hard time being busts whether the development they receive is good or not, its called a "blue-chip prospect".

 

Name some minor leaguers the Jays have traded the past 10 years that have turned into stars.

[ElNik2013]

An organization also has to have patience to wait for its prospects to arrive at the MLB level. If they're not willing to take a few losing seasons to wait out their prospects, they'll likely end up trading away some players they will later on wish they hadn't traded.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Name some minor leaguers the Jays have traded the past 10 years that have turned into stars.

 

We havent traded our top prospects as much in the past, we kept them and they were all busts its baffling how bad this team was in draft selection, we need to improve our scouting as well. This regime under AA is the one that focuses on trading away all our top prospects, and we wont know if Syndergaard, D'arnaud etc will be become stars yet because its too early to tell but as I said they have higher success rates IMO.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

An organization also has to have patience to wait for its prospects to arrive at the MLB level. If they're not willing to take a few losing seasons to wait out their prospects, they'll likely end up trading away some players they will later on wish they hadn't traded.

Yes good point, or they will end up calling them up too early in the development process, just like how they messed up Travis Snider.

[ElNik2013]

Yes good point, or they will end up calling them up too early in the development process, just like how they messed up Travis Snider.

 

 

 

Lack of patience is at the centre of what motivated the Jays to make the moves in the 2012 off season. I don't think they gave up on the prospects they traded away, I think they didn't want to go into 2013 expected to lose 90-100 games.

 

I really hope they send Hutchison and Stroman to AAA to start the season and let them get more seasoning although from what I saw yesterday, Hutchison is MLB ready and Stroman not far behind.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

Dare I say I think Brett Lawrie could have benefited from being left in the minors a while longer when he was 21.

[G-Snarls]

Half a season is "much time"

 

Was that all? Oops. I was thinking he had spent 1.5 years.

[G-Snarls]

What would have been the point? He absolutely tore AAA apart through half a season. No reason not to promote him.

 

And it's not like had a poor callup. He had a sophomore slump and then an injury plagued season.

[TheBigSmoke.RF]

we all know the PCL inflates numbers, the same can be said for travis snider. I would have liked to see him play atleast a full season down there maybe he would've learned when to and not to steal 3rd smh.