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[Frenchsoup]

Matt West claimed by the jays. He looks like he could have a lot of success against righties, i would be very uncomfortable in the box against him.

 

[TwistedLogic]

Matt West claimed by the jays. He looks like he could have a lot of success against righties, i would be very uncomfortable in the box against him.

 

 

Really loving the Jays' waiver pick-ups lately.

[King]

Matt West claimed by the jays. He looks like he could have a lot of success against righties, i would be very uncomfortable in the box against him.

 

 

Nice.

[jerb]

 

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Hear nats have interest in yunel escobar. Escobar for clippard may make sense as match.

 

 

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Yunel has indeed been traded to nats.

[King]

Desmond on the verge of being traded?

[L54]

Better not go to Seattle.

 

Lol

[TheHurl]

So much for the A's real interest being Yunel.

[L54]

So much for the A's real interest being Yunel.

 

That's what I was thinking.

 

Thought it would be since Beane claimed him last year. Probably more so for this reason than a genuine want.

[baseballsss]

Doesn't have to be:

 

C Ramos

1B Zimmerman

2B Escobar

SS Desmond

3B Rendon

LF Harper

CF Span

RF Werth

 

 

is Desmond the better defensive SS?

[Abomination]

I wonder if this sets up a Clippard / Navarro trade? I'm not sure how much it makes sense for the A's not to flip Clippard somewhere.

[GD]

What on earth is the thinking around here that Beane would like Navarro?

[King]

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Tyler Clippard is involved in the deal.The deal is pending, I was informed.#Nats #Nationals #MLB

[Abomination]

What on earth is the thinking around here that Beane would like Navarro?

 

You have to figure Clippard is moving somewhere (I don't see him taking the closer role from Doolittle, and paying a setup man $8 mil or so for a small market team seems silly). A catcher on a short term deal would make some sense, since they can move Vogt around as needed (like the outfield now), and they may not be too eager to rely 100% on Phegley yet.

 

I suspect Beane already has a good idea of where Clippard can be moved, or he wouldn't do the trade. Of course, he also traded for Johnson last year, so who knows.

[BTS]

What on earth is the thinking around here that Beane would like Navarro?

 

I don't know, but the entire forum seems to think our $5 million replacement-level player has trade value.

[GD]

You have to figure Clippard is moving somewhere (I don't see him taking the closer role from Doolittle, and paying a setup man $8 mil or so for a small market team seems silly). A catcher on a short term deal would make some sense, since they can move Vogt around as needed (like the outfield now), and they may not be too eager to rely 100% on Phegley yet.

 

I suspect Beane already has a good idea of where Clippard can be moved, or he wouldn't do the trade. Of course, he also traded for Johnson last year, so who knows.

 

Navarro is barely what one would call a catcher.

[GD]

I don't know, but the entire forum seems to think our $5 million replacement-level player has trade value.

 

Well, he obviously does with dumn GMs like Stewart who don't know about framing/defense. But ya, with guys like Beane, no chance.

[Abomination]

He traded for Luke Gregerson too and just lost him. There's lots in Beane's recent history that would suggest he wants to keep Clippard.

 

I'm holding out hope that the Diamondbacks cave and give up something good for Navarro.

 

We may be best off keeping Navarro ourselves, provided he doesn't cause any drama. I'm not completely convinced that'll be the case though.

[BTS]

Well, he obviously does with dumn GMs like Stewart who don't know about framing/defense. But ya, with guys like Beane, no chance.

 

Even then, I'm pretty sure Navarro would be a D'back by now if he had even good reliever value.

[GD]

Even then, I'm pretty sure Navarro would be a D'back by now if he had even good reliever value.

 

Maybe the DBacks were in on Gattis and didn't get him or something. Who knows.

[King]

Susan Slusser ‏@susanslusser 2m2 minutes ago

I have independent confirmation deal has happened, Escobar for Clippard. Taking Escobar was how the #Athletics were able to get Zobrist.

[King]

Jim Bowden ‏@JimBowden_ESPN 32s32 seconds ago

Nationals plan on playing Escobar at 2B

[Abomination]

Taking Escobar was how the #Athletics were able to get Zobrist.

 

Ouch! Pretty telling about character, when you have an above average player on a good contract, who is apparently THAT toxic.

[Jimcanuck]

Ouch! Pretty telling about character, when you have an above average player on a good contract, who is apparently THAT toxic.

 

Lazy player when he was with Jays. How many times did we blow up at his jogs down the 1B line on groundouts? And wasn't there one instance where on a groundout he walked down the 1B line?

 

This is a case where the intangibles outweigh the tangibles.

[Atothe]

Lazy player when he was with Jays. How many times did we blow up at his jogs down the 1B line on groundouts? And wasn't there one instance where on a groundout he walked down the 1B line?

 

This is a case where the intangibles outweigh the tangibles.

 

that wasn't why

[BTS]

Makes no sense. Rays wouldn't value Escobar as a negative asset. Especially if he just returned a positive one.

 

Yeah. Beane was able to land a near-elite reliever within less than a week. I don't buy that the Rays thought Escobar had negative value.

[Abomination]

Yeah. Beane was able to land a near-elite reliever within less than a week. I don't buy that the Rays thought Escobar had negative value.

 

Is Clippard really near-elite though? He has an xFIP the last 3 years of 4.14, 4.02, 3.28, and a career xFIP of 3.91. SIERA likes him a little more, but I'm still not sure I'd consider them to be THAT great. Add in to that the fact he'll get $8M+ in arbitration next year (I think MLBTR predicts over $9M)...

[GD]

Yeah. Beane was able to land a near-elite reliever within less than a week. I don't buy that the Rays thought Escobar had negative value.

 

Still doesn't explain the lacking return for two very good assets. I mean, Robertson is good, but not year of Zobrist+Escobar good.

[BTS]

Is Clippard really near-elite though? He has an xFIP the last 3 years of 4.14, 4.02, 3.28, and a career xFIP of 3.91. SIERA likes him a little more, but I'm still not sure I'd consider them to be THAT great. Add in to that the fact he'll get $8M+ in arbitration next year (I think MLBTR predicts over $9M)...

 

He's better than his xFIP. Guy induces more infield flies than Chris Young.

[BTS]

Still doesn't explain the lacking return for two very good assets. I mean, Robertson is good, but not year of Zobrist+Escobar good.

 

This is true. Trade looks really bad right now.

[Abomination]

He's better than his xFIP. Guy induces more infield flies than Chris Young.

 

Yeah, I agree. I'm just not sure I'd consider him near elite. He's good, and I'd love to have him, but not as good as people are making him out to be imo.