Jason Parks chat - Jays-related content

[Dr. Dinger]

I didn't see this posted, from Baseball Prospectus today:

 

 

David (Montreal): Where would you rate the Blue Jays farm system? Also, what is Anthony Gose's realistic role? Thanks.

 

Jason Parks: Jays list coming up next week at BP. I think Gose can be a major league regular; a frustrating player that flashes a lot more potential than he lives up to.

 

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tjco1006 (Up n In Rehab Center): Better reports lately on Tirado or Alex Reyes? I know coming into this season you were quite high on Tirado. Still the case?

 

Jason Parks: Quite high on both. The reports have been excellent. Both are projectable with good now stuff. You have to dream on the secondary stuff and command, but the ceilings are high.

 

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Sara (Tacoma): Higher ceiling/floor between Noah Syndergaard and Robert Stephenson, ETA irrelevant?

 

Jason Parks: Both have number two type ceilings (which is crazy high); Syndergaard with the higher floor right now; ETA for Noah is late 2014; Stephenson the following season.

 

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Kyle (Ottawa, ON): After watching Noah Syndergaard blossom into one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, could the Blue Jays actually be stupid enough to consider sending Aaron Sanchez or Marcus Stroman to Chicago for two years of Jeff Sarmfhugjhkhjiza?

 

Jason Parks: I hope that doesn't happen. It seems a bit reckless to me. For what its worth, I would take Stroman over Sanchez.

 

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TulaneCubs (Chicago): How many industrial sized bottles of lotion will you need when you do the Cubs' system rankings if they trade Samardzija for a package of, say, Aaron Sanchez, Marcus Stroman and DJ Davis? Would a deal like that move their system ahead of the Twins? What do you think about Sanchez and Stroman?

 

Jason Parks: That's not a realistic package for David Price, much less for Shark.

 

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Liam (Dallas): Best pitcher in baseball in 4 years: Kershaw, Darvish, Fernandez, Harvey or Giolito?

 

Jason Parks: Fernandez

 

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Gavin (NYC): Stretch to say Noah Syndeergaard is a top 10 prospect in baseball?

 

Jason Parks: No. He's in the top ten mix.

 

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Jim (Toronto): Is Stroman ready to pitch at the back of the Jays rotation come April?

 

Jason Parks: Yes. He was probably ready last season.

[Stangstag]

Those Syndergaard comments really hurt.

[Abomination]

Few interesting ones in there. Thanks.

[Angrioter]

Noah, Noah. I'll enjoy watching you pitch at Rogers Centre and f***ing us all night long.

[KingKat]

Anyone else feel a bit of déjà vue when comparing Stroman/Sanchez? How it's a lot like comparing Syndergaard/Sanchez last year. On one side you have the pitcher who gets results and on the other, the guy with the supposedly higher ceiling who doesn't. It's not a perfect comparison because Stroman is closer to the majors than any of them but if AA keeps Sanchez and trades Stroman, I will probably feel like he kept the wrong guy again.

[TwistedLogic]

I always knew Syndergaard would be the best Jays prospect in years.

 

Hell for all we know, he's only blossoming because he left the complete f***ing terror that is the Jays developmental system. Has to be the worst system in baseball, maybe all of every sport ever. When was the last time we produced a great prospect that we fully developed, from draft/IFA to majors? Halladay and Carpenter?

[TwistedLogic]

That might have changed had we not traded all of our young good players for old, expensive aging players.

 

I have a feeling that had we kept Syndergaard, Marisnick and d'Arnaud, they'd all end up as s***** below-replacement level players after going through our system. Everyone gets better after leaving the Jays. Just look at the last couple of years. Hill, Gomes, Alvarez, Syndergaard, Bonifacio, etc, etc, etc. Even Napoli was only a Blue Jay for a short amount of time, but just getting this s*** stain of a team in his past resulted in a career year. This team is a dark hole that just sucks the soul out of every player it ever gets. It's like the aliens in Space Jam, only worse. I can't remember the last player (of course other than Doc again, the one inexplicable f***ing anomaly) that you could count on every year to be THAT guy. Bautista is always injured, Rasmus and Lawrie are s*** one year, good the next, and then s*** again, new players that come in end up succumbing to some sort of a f***ing curse (Johnson, Reyes, Happ, Cordero, Santos, etc) and players that look promising at one point end up s***ing the bed right after (Lind, Hill, Morrow, Romero). The only bright lights I can think of in the past I-don't-know-how-many-years are Bautista and Encarnacion, and both were old as f*** to finally "discover" themselves, giving us this tiny 3-4 year window. When will we ever develop our own Trout or Harper or Kershaw or Miller or Fernandez or Machado or Stanton or Harvey? I thought we finally got our break with Lawrie, but nooo, his head is a f***ing muscle.

[dineke]

Strokin' it for Stroman.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I always knew Syndergaard would be the best Jays prospect in years.

 

Hell for all we know, he's only blossoming because he left the complete f***ing terror that is the Jays developmental system. Has to be the worst system in baseball, maybe all of every sport ever.

 

Maybe

[Dr. Dinger]

As a Syndergaard owner you're secretly loving this, don't lie.

[Dr. Dinger]

Oh your balls... from fapping too much? I hear that.

[Atothe]

I have no doubt Aaron Sanchez will be the better pitcher barring injury. So much hype surrounding Syndergaard that he is overrated right now

[Angrioter]

[Dr. Dinger]

I have no doubt Aaron Sanchez will be the better pitcher barring injury. So much hype surrounding Syndergaard that he is overrated right now

 

That's pretty terrible logic. Syndergaard has better command, has pitched at a higher level, has pitched more innings, and has struck way more hitters out.

[Angrioter]

That's pretty terrible logic. Syndergaard has better command, has pitched at a higher level, has pitched more innings, and has struck way more hitters out.

 

You're evaluating results.

Mitch Moreland > Albertico Pujols?

[Atothe]

That's pretty terrible logic. Syndergaard has better command, has pitched at a higher level, has pitched more innings, and has struck way more hitters out.

 

thats also terrible logic, you're assuming Sanchez is done developing. Don't let that high floor be the be all and end all

[Dr. Dinger]

At this point it appears Syndergaard has a higher floor and ceiling.

[Angrioter]

Aaron Sanchez

 

“It’s not like my command is bad, they’re competitive walks,” Sanchez says. “Don’t get me wrong, there are some four-pitch walks, but being able to throw my curveball for a strike and put out people with my curveball is probably the biggest thing I wanted to work on this year, because I feel like my changeup and my fastball are pretty much there every night.”

 

 

“I want people to beat me with my best stuff, that’s everybody’s thought process,” says Sanchez. “Getting cheap hits on my off-speed was frustrating at the beginning, but I understood the big picture. This whole process since I’ve been drafted is looking at the whole big picture and yeah, maybe it’s slower and I still may be in high-A, but there’s been a plan since the day I signed and it’s about sticking to it.”

 

In past years the curveball has been more of a finishing pitch for Sanchez—an “0-2 hammer punch-out curve,” as he describes it—while this season he incorporated a slower version of it in the 79–84 range that finishes in the zone. The difference, he explains, is in “the release point.”

 

“I was trying to make it too nasty, and taking a step back, and letting it do the work out front is what’s helped me,” he continues. “It was always a good curveball, I just could never throw it for a strike, so nobody would respect it. They were sitting fastball. Now that I can throw that, it’s getting me through five, six, seven innings.”

[Angrioter]

Sanchez is also learning to be more patient. He admits that last year he got a little anxious at times wanting to move up more quickly through the organizational ranks, frustrated that the Jays were perhaps holding him back because of his age.

 

“Patience is not one of his great virtues,” says Knowles. “But he’s aware that he has to let things play out and he has to prove himself.”

[Dr. Dinger]

Walks are walks.

[Randy The Robot]

I have a feeling that had we kept Syndergaard, Marisnick and d'Arnaud, they'd all end up as s***** below-replacement level players after going through our system. Everyone gets better after leaving the Jays. Just look at the last couple of years. Hill, Gomes, Alvarez, Syndergaard, Bonifacio, etc, etc, etc. Even Napoli was only a Blue Jay for a short amount of time, but just getting this s*** stain of a team in his past resulted in a career year. This team is a dark hole that just sucks the soul out of every player it ever gets. It's like the aliens in Space Jam, only worse. I can't remember the last player (of course other than Doc again, the one inexplicable f***ing anomaly) that you could count on every year to be THAT guy. Bautista is always injured, Rasmus and Lawrie are s*** one year, good the next, and then s*** again, new players that come in end up succumbing to some sort of a f***ing curse (Johnson, Reyes, Happ, Cordero, Santos, etc) and players that look promising at one point end up s***ing the bed right after (Lind, Hill, Morrow, Romero). The only bright lights I can think of in the past I-don't-know-how-many-years are Bautista and Encarnacion, and both were old as f*** to finally "discover" themselves, giving us this tiny 3-4 year window. When will we ever develop our own Trout or Harper or Kershaw or Miller or Fernandez or Machado or Stanton or Harvey? I thought we finally got our break with Lawrie, but nooo, his head is a f***ing muscle.

I love everything about this post.

[KingKat]

competitive walks

 

That's it. I'm done with you, Sanchez.

[The Cats Ass]

Walks are walks.

 

Walks are walks in the majors. The minors are a different story. He's working on his curveball command. In a count with 3 balls he could throw a fastball or changeup and get it over the plate. But the org wants him to work on his curveball command. So he throws his curveball, and sometimes it gets over and other times its ball 4.

[ElNik2013]

I have a feeling that had we kept Syndergaard, Marisnick and d'Arnaud, they'd all end up as s***** below-replacement level players after going through our system. Everyone gets better after leaving the Jays. Just look at the last couple of years. Hill, Gomes, Alvarez, Syndergaard, Bonifacio, etc, etc, etc. Even Napoli was only a Blue Jay for a short amount of time, but just getting this s*** stain of a team in his past resulted in a career year. This team is a dark hole that just sucks the soul out of every player it ever gets. It's like the aliens in Space Jam, only worse. I can't remember the last player (of course other than Doc again, the one inexplicable f***ing anomaly) that you could count on every year to be THAT guy. Bautista is always injured, Rasmus and Lawrie are s*** one year, good the next, and then s*** again, new players that come in end up succumbing to some sort of a f***ing curse (Johnson, Reyes, Happ, Cordero, Santos, etc) and players that look promising at one point end up s***ing the bed right after (Lind, Hill, Morrow, Romero). The only bright lights I can think of in the past I-don't-know-how-many-years are Bautista and Encarnacion, and both were old as f*** to finally "discover" themselves, giving us this tiny 3-4 year window. When will we ever develop our own Trout or Harper or Kershaw or Miller or Fernandez or Machado or Stanton or Harvey? I thought we finally got our break with Lawrie, but nooo, his head is a f***ing muscle.

 

 

 

I wish the Jays had kept the prospects, especially Syndergaard and d'Arnaud, but I disagree with you about the recent prospects. Syndergaard, Marisnick and d'Arnaud were doing very well while with the Blue Jays. Syndergaard was flat out dominant with Lansing, he just continued to improve in 2013. We all know d'Arnaud's only issue has been staying healthy. Marisnick had made it to AA in 2012 and while he struggled there, it's not that uncommon for promoted prospects to take some time to adjust to the higher level. Nicolino was also doing fine with the Blue Jays.

 

Don't get me wrong, we're all frustrated and I get the larger point about the failure to develop a cornerstone player since Halladay. I do think that AA's drafting will end up looking pretty good, unfortunately, he has traded away most of the good things he did and should be canned just for the Dickey trade which will end up haunting this franchise for years.

[Captain Adama]

I always knew Syndergaard was the better prospect, plus, his sense of humour is a solid 65.

[ElNik2013]

I wouldn't have even traded d'Arnaud for Dickey straight up and said so at the time of the trade not only because he was the Jays' #1 prospect, but also because it also meant that the organization thought JPA was the catcher of the future which in itself is very damaging.

[KingKat]

Marisnick had made it to AA in 2012 and while he struggled there, it's not that uncommon for promoted prospects to take some time to adjust to the higher level.

 

It's been suggested that Marisnick wasn't making adjustments the team wanted and that he was put in AA specifically so he would fail and learn his lesson.

[ElNik2013]

It's been suggested that Marisnick wasn't making adjustments the team wanted and that he was put in AA specifically so he would fail and learn his lesson.

 

 

I wouldn't know whether this is sure or not, that's for sure, but I'm not sure that means he was failing while with the Blue Jays. Maybe that early AA failure did serve him well and who's to say he wouldn't have showed the same improvements he showed with the Marlins had he not been traded.

 

Overall, what I'm saying is that the top prospects that were traded away were doing well with the Blue Jays and while I get the frustration for the lack of homegrown talent, I don't think that applies to the AA regime, at least not yet. In fact, if Syndergaard, d'Arnaud and Nicolino do well, it would be a compliment to AA although it would also be a condemnation of his asset-management skills. And yes, I'd fire AA for the trades he's made starting with the Happ trade, but the one thing he was doing reasonably well was building up the farm system. Anyway...too late now

[kgm1]

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<<< Jason Parks: Fernandez >>>

 

I will look back on that draft as long as I'm in the league Dinger and CRY. How could I screw up so bad

[Stangstag]

I wouldn't have even traded d'Arnaud for Dickey straight up and said so at the time of the trade not only because he was the Jays' #1 prospect, but also because it also meant that the organization thought JPA was the catcher of the future which in itself is very damaging.

 

It is known that AA offered either JP or d'Arnaud in the deal for Dickey. Mets chose Dickey.