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[DuckDuckGose]

Romero for Uggla? Uggla can't field on turf, is nearly JPA level bad at getting on base and is 33 but he still might deliver more value than Romero.

 

A very interesting thought. I'd move Romero plus whatever extra minor pieces it would take to land Uggla as I think he'll bounce back in to the 2 WAR range next season. I wouldn't move Romero to land Phillips as Phillips' salary is likely one of only a couple factors keeping his price down.

[DuckDuckGose]

Romero for Uggla? Uggla can't field on turf, is nearly JPA level bad at getting on base and is 33 but he still might deliver more value than Romero.

 

Uggla's shown he can't hit for average but, he can definitely take a walk and get on base. No one will get on base enough if they only hit .180 though. He definitely needs to cut down on the K's and put more balls in play next season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Uggla's shown he can't hit for average but, he can definitely take a walk and get on base. No one will get on base enough if they only hit .180 though. He definitely needs to cut down on the K's and put more balls in play next season.

 

So he needs to revamp what he's been doing for close to a decade. Sounds feasible.

[Angrioter]

Uggla's shown he can't hit for average but, he can definitely take a walk and get on base. No one will get on base enough if they only hit .180 though. He definitely needs to cut down on the K's and put more balls in play next season.

 

So he needs to revamp what he's been doing for close to a decade. Sounds feasible.

 

It's like asking to Mayor Ford that don't use crack cocaine.

[DuckDuckGose]

So he needs to revamp what he's been doing for close to a decade. Sounds feasible.

 

Not really. Uggla has always struck out way too much but, I more meant he needs to get back down towards his career average. His K rate in 2013 was 7.5% above his career average and even 5% above 2012. There are some very solid indicators that his K rate is inflating because Uggla is declining and that the 30% K rate is a trend not an exception. If you believe that Uggla wont be able to get his K-rate back down then do not trade for him because he will fail again. If you believe he will get his K rate back down in to the mid-20's then he is a decent buy low guy.

[DuckDuckGose]

It's like asking to Mayor Ford that don't use crack cocaine.

 

Hahaha yes, perhaps I worded my response poorly. Uggla has always and will always K a lot but in 2013 he posted an exceptionally bad, even by Dan Uggla standards, K rate.

[Angrioter]

Hahaha yes, perhaps I worded my response poorly. Uggla has always and will always K a lot but in 2013 he posted an exceptionally bad, even by Dan Uggla standards, K rate.

 

Uggla

'14 - 34 years old

'15 - 35 years old

 

He's not Bart Colon

[DuckDuckGose]

Uggla

'14 - 34 years old

'15 - 35 years old

 

He's not Bart Colon

 

Colon is 40 and a pitcher. That's legendary longevity that very few could hurlers could ever hope to match. Position players are a different beast. There are many that are successful in to their mid-30's and Uggla is only signed through his age 35 season. He's definitely in the decline phase of his career but I don't think he is completely washed up. Lets also clarify one thing, I'm not championing Uggla as a saviour or even an above average player. He's just a good buy low guy that could get back in to the 2 WAR range if he makes the necessary adjustments.

[Laika]

Yes, you are the only one who thinks about the whole tool package and how those tools translate to the majors. I don't think anyone would want Hamilton just because hes fast. He does a lot of things very well and can create a positive run differential on both sides of the ball in a variety of ways. Sure, he lacks power but if he can get on base he'll create a lot of runs.

 

You have poor reading comprehension skills.

[DuckDuckGose]

You have poor reading comprehension skills.

 

Nah man, I comprehended it just fine. I was probably feeling abrasive early this afternoon though because you were much less of a know-it-all than warranted by my response.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Not really. Uggla has always struck out way too much but, I more meant he needs to get back down towards his career average. His K rate in 2013 was 7.5% above his career average and even 5% above 2012. There are some very solid indicators that his K rate is inflating because Uggla is declining and that the 30% K rate is a trend not an exception. If you believe that Uggla wont be able to get his K-rate back down then do not trade for him because he will fail again. If you believe he will get his K rate back down in to the mid-20's then he is a decent buy low guy.

 

I believe most players in their 30's will decline.

[Angrioter]

Colon is 40 and a pitcher. That's legendary longevity that very few could hurlers could ever hope to match. Position players are a different beast. There are many that are successful in to their mid-30's and Uggla is only signed through his age 35 season. He's definitely in the decline phase of his career but I don't think he is completely washed up. Lets also clarify one thing, I'm not championing Uggla as a saviour or even an above average player. He's just a good buy low guy that could get back in to the 2 WAR range if he makes the necessary adjustments.

 

Our dicks doesn't have the same power with the passage of time, It's like a withering rose.

Personally, I'd rather get those 2-2.5WAR from a player with less than 30 years old and save couple of million dollars.

 

Ryan Goins someone?

[DuckDuckGose]

Most players in their 30's will decline and Uggla is definitely in the decline phase of his career. Most of those declines are not entirely linear though. HIs performance has already started to trend downwards and should look somewhat linear but there will be year-to-year fluctuations in that decline, 2013 could be just a down year in Uggla's decline or it could be a sign of what is to be expected in the subsequent seasons. Like I said though if you think he has declined so much so that he cannot put up a ~25-27% K rate don't go out and get him because he will fail. If you think he still has the ability to put up K rates similar to his career average then he is a good buy low target. TBH though there are quite a few options on the FA market that will require no assets to acquire and will make less money than Uggla will over the next two seasons. That's the route I would go but, AA seems allergic to the UFA market.

[DuckDuckGose]

Our dicks doesn't have the same power with the passage of time, It's like a withering rose.

 

What beautiful words Ang, you're a poet. That's sig worthy haha

 

Personally, I'd rather get those 2-2.5WAR from a player with less than 30 years old and save couple of million dollars.

 

Ryan Goins someone?

 

I'd fill the 2B whole through FA. I just enjoy discussing trade targets because that is the route AA is likely to take.

[Angrioter]

Most players in their 30's will decline and Uggla is definitely in the decline phase of his career. Most of those declines are not entirely linear though. HIs performance has already started to trend downwards and should look somewhat linear but there will be year-to-year fluctuations in that decline, 2013 could be just a down year in Uggla's decline or it could be a sign of what is to be expected in the subsequent seasons. Like I said though if you think he has declined so much so that he cannot put up a ~25-27% K rate don't go out and get him because he will fail. If you think he still has the ability to put up K rates similar to his career average then he is a good buy low target. TBH though there are quite a few options on the FA market that will require no assets to acquire and will make less money than Uggla will over the next two seasons. That's the route I would go but, AA seems allergic to the UFA market.

 

Danny Espinosa > Uggla

[DuckDuckGose]

Danny Espinosa > Uggla

 

Quite possibly. He'd definitely take more to acquire though.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'd definitely take a run at Espinosa as well though. I have a feeling the Nats will move him or Lombardizzi this off-season. Rendon would be the ideal target but that's a pipe dream.

[SAAviour]

Romero for Uggla and the braves even out the money?

Who if either of these two is a better bet to bounce back?

Too lazy to look up ugglas splits but he could be the right half of our DH platoon as well and play goins at second while Uggla dh's....just realized I'm 99% sure Uggla bats right but could be wrong.

[KingKat]

Romero for Uggla and the braves even out the money?

Who if either of these two is a better bet to bounce back?

Too lazy to look up ugglas splits but he could be the right half of our DH platoon as well and play goins at second while Uggla dh's....just realized I'm 99% sure Uggla bats right but could be wrong.

 

He geta on-base as the same clip against lefties and righties. He has more powers against righties so he doesn't work as a platoon guy. You could maybe use him at 2B and use Goins to cover him in the late innings but he's basically more of everything wrong with the team, terrible D, overpaid, past his prime.

[DuckDuckGose]

Romero for Uggla and the braves even out the money?

Who if either of these two is a better bet to bounce back?

 

I think Romero's only real shot to bounce back is out of the pen. It's hard to be much more than a 1 WAR guy out of the pen so I'd say Uggla is the better bounce back candidate.

 

Too lazy to look up ugglas splits but he could be the right half of our DH platoon as well and play goins at second while Uggla dh's....just realized I'm 99% sure Uggla bats right but could be wrong.

 

He hasn't really shown splits over his whole career but he has been slightly better against righties. Here's Uggla career line;

 

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[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

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[TD]Total[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.5 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]23.7 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.57[/TD]

[TD=align: right].231[/TD]

[TD=align: right].339[/TD]

[TD=align: right].420[/TD]

[TD=align: right].759[/TD]

[TD=align: right].189[/TD]

[TD=align: right].274[/TD]

[TD=align: right]165.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right].332[/TD]

[TD=align: right]103[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]Total[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.8 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]24.2 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.44[/TD]

[TD=align: right].251[/TD]

[TD=align: right].340[/TD]

[TD=align: right].471[/TD]

[TD=align: right].811[/TD]

[TD=align: right].220[/TD]

[TD=align: right].291[/TD]

[TD=align: right]549.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]90.8[/TD]

[TD=align: right].352[/TD]

[TD=align: right]116[/TD]

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and last 5 seasons;

 

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[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader rgHeaderOver, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

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[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2013[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]16.8 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]38.4 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.44[/TD]

[TD=align: right].146[/TD]

[TD=align: right].288[/TD]

[TD=align: right].311[/TD]

[TD=align: right].599[/TD]

[TD=align: right].165[/TD]

[TD=align: right].212[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]-3.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right].276[/TD]

[TD=align: right]73[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2013[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.6 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]29.9 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.46[/TD]

[TD=align: right].188[/TD]

[TD=align: right].316[/TD]

[TD=align: right].377[/TD]

[TD=align: right].692[/TD]

[TD=align: right].188[/TD]

[TD=align: right].228[/TD]

[TD=align: right]44.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]-0.9[/TD]

[TD=align: right].311[/TD]

[TD=align: right]97[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TR]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5]

[TD]2012[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.6 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]26.7 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.70[/TD]

[TD=align: right].220[/TD]

[TD=align: right].371[/TD]

[TD=align: right].405[/TD]

[TD=align: right].776[/TD]

[TD=align: right].185[/TD]

[TD=align: right].276[/TD]

[TD=align: right]28.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right].340[/TD]

[TD=align: right]114[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2012[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.1 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]26.7 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.49[/TD]

[TD=align: right].220[/TD]

[TD=align: right].336[/TD]

[TD=align: right].375[/TD]

[TD=align: right].710[/TD]

[TD=align: right].155[/TD]

[TD=align: right].286[/TD]

[TD=align: right]49.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right].319[/TD]

[TD=align: right]99[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TABLE=class: rgMasterTable, width: 978]

[TR]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2011[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.9 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]26.6 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.41[/TD]

[TD=align: right].201[/TD]

[TD=align: right].288[/TD]

[TD=align: right].360[/TD]

[TD=align: right].648[/TD]

[TD=align: right].159[/TD]

[TD=align: right].248[/TD]

[TD=align: right]16.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]-4.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right].288[/TD]

[TD=align: right]80[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2011[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]8.6 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]21.9 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.39[/TD]

[TD=align: right].245[/TD]

[TD=align: right].320[/TD]

[TD=align: right].489[/TD]

[TD=align: right].808[/TD]

[TD=align: right].243[/TD]

[TD=align: right].255[/TD]

[TD=align: right]68.1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.3[/TD]

[TD=align: right].351[/TD]

[TD=align: right]122[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

[TABLE=class: rgMasterTable, width: 978]

[TR]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2010[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]15.1 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]18.2 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.83[/TD]

[TD=align: right].306[/TD]

[TD=align: right].409[/TD]

[TD=align: right].575[/TD]

[TD=align: right].983[/TD]

[TD=align: right].269[/TD]

[TD=align: right].330[/TD]

[TD=align: right]31.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right].425[/TD]

[TD=align: right]164[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2010[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.5 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]23.3 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.45[/TD]

[TD=align: right].281[/TD]

[TD=align: right].357[/TD]

[TD=align: right].488[/TD]

[TD=align: right].845[/TD]

[TD=align: right].207[/TD]

[TD=align: right].330[/TD]

[TD=align: right]78.7[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.5[/TD]

[TD=align: right].368[/TD]

[TD=align: right]126[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

[TABLE=class: rgMasterTable, width: 978]

[TR]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Split[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]K%[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BB/K[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]AVG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]OPS[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]ISO[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]BABIP[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRAA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wOBA[/TH]

[TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]wRC+[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2009[/TD]

[TD]vs L as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]14.6 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]19.1 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.77[/TD]

[TD=align: right].208[/TD]

[TD=align: right].344[/TD]

[TD=align: right].408[/TD]

[TD=align: right].752[/TD]

[TD=align: right].200[/TD]

[TD=align: right].215[/TD]

[TD=align: right]20.0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1.2[/TD]

[TD=align: right].338[/TD]

[TD=align: right]102[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow grid_line_regular]

[TD]2009[/TD]

[TD]vs R as R[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.5 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]23.5 %[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0.58[/TD]

[TD=align: right].253[/TD]

[TD=align: right].357[/TD]

[TD=align: right].475[/TD]

[TD=align: right].832[/TD]

[TD=align: right].221[/TD]

[TD=align: right].293[/TD]

[TD=align: right]74.6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]13.4[/TD]

[TD=align: right].360[/TD]

[TD=align: right]117[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

The one thing that jumps out at me is the 2013 K rate against RHP vs LHP. He was bad against both but much less so against righties. So there could be something there.

[SAAviour]

Thanks...I think the terrible D throws me off, the bat might possibly bounce back, but the D will only get worse especially on turf. I say stick with Romero.

[DuckDuckGose]

It's hard to say. The eye test would have you believe he is god awful defensively and quite possibly one of the worst in the league. Defensive metrics have him somewhere in the very bad range but not as bad as your eyes would lead you to believe. I'd agree that AA needs to improve the overall defence of this team for next season. Uglla isn't an ideal target but an improvement on the Goins/Boni combo from this season. Uggla projects to play worse defence than Boni did at 2B so he'd have to save runs elsewhere to make up for those lost by adding Uggla in to the fold.

[Abomination]

It's hard to say. The eye test would have you believe he is god awful defensively and quite possibly one of the worst in the league. Defensive metrics have him somewhere in the very bad range but not as bad as your eyes would lead you to believe. I'd agree that AA needs to improve the overall defence of this team for next season. Uglla isn't an ideal target but an improvement on the Goins/Boni combo from this season. Uggla projects to play worse defence than Boni did at 2B so he'd have to save runs elsewhere to make up for those lost by adding Uggla in to the fold.

 

AA seemed to be pretty clear about wanting to upgrade the defense. When he makes these little hints, it always seems to be his focus. I don't think we'll see him pick someone up who isn't plus defense at 2nd.

[DuckDuckGose]

That's such a s***** way for him to look at adding wins to the roster. Ugh.

 

LF and C were larger defensive holes than 2B. AA needs to improve the infield but there are other ways to improve the defence.

[DuckDuckGose]

Ya, he definitely gets tunnel vision especially with pitching. There are holes all over the diamond for this team on both sides of the ball, just improve the run differential anyways you can. That being said AA has to have tunnel vision to shore up the C situation. There's just absolutely no way you can go in to next season with JPA behind the dish. Izturis/Goins at 2B, Melky/Gose in LF wouldn't be ideal but if the rest of the team is improved it could work. I'd have a very hard time cheering for a team that plays JPA every day and expects to compete.

[ElNik2013]

I say get Infante or even KJ, sign Tanaka or Garza and Ruiz and keep the starting pitching depth.

[DuckDuckGose]

I say get Infante or even KJ, sign Tanaka or Garza and Ruiz and keep the starting pitching depth.

 

There are a few upgrades at 2B on the market, Izturis + Infante or KJ would be just fine at 2B. There are a few high end pitching options like Garza, Tanaka, or Kuroda on the market as well. Yet AA will trade the farm for guys who have already signed open market deals and are getting PAID.

[DuckDuckGose]

Oh I agree on JPA - pretty much anyone is an upgrade, so it would be stupid not to. With the other areas, I think he probably has his mind set not only on adding a 2B, but on putting disproportionate weight on defense when he does add that player, a problem exacerbated by the fact that he'll be using his pro scouts to evaluate defense. I'm expecting the same tunnel vision and lack of creativity we saw last offseason. He should be looking to improve the run differential, but right from the start of the offseason he'll be disregarding most options for doing so. I guess I'm just on another "the front office is woefully incompetent" rant at this point.

 

What I really don't get about the old school thinking that defensive metrics don't work is the measurable amount of error in the stats. Even if you don't agree with the exact number of runs saved you know the data will be within a given range with a certain degree of confidence. Given that established MLB'ers have very large samples of defensive work there is simply no better way to determine defensive worth than defensive metrics. For small samples listen to the scouts if that's all you have but at the very least understand that scouts represent subjective data sets and decisions should be based on objective data not guesswork.

[GeorgiaPeach]

AA seemed to be pretty clear about wanting to upgrade the defense. When he makes these little hints, it always seems to be his focus. I don't think we'll see him pick someone up who isn't plus defense at 2nd.

 

I wish he'd stop focusing on particular aspects to improve and just accumulate the best talent he can on the most reasonable deal he can get.

[ElNik2013]

Uggla's s***, just saying.

 

 

And he's the type of hitter that people keep saying epitomizes what's wrong with the Blue Jays' approach. I understand the hypothetical proposal is to trade Romero for him, but I'd rather they spend money on guys like Infante and Ruiz. I also like the idea of management being made fun of for paying Romero to play at AAA.