KSaw Verified Member Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 You say switch hitter, I say sunk cost He was injured all year. Don't think that you'll be complaining next year when he hits .310 or better and can actually run.
Pete_7 Verified Member Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 DFA Arencibia sign A.J. Pierzynski to a 2 yr deal.
Convo Verified Member Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 DFA Arencibia sign A.J. Pierzynski to a 2 yr deal. Don't we already have enough misfits on the team? Do we need the most hated player in baseball too?
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Don't we already have enough misfits on the team? Do we need the most hated player in baseball too? He's only hated if he plays on the other team. He plays to win, not for twitter friends.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 He's only hated if he plays on the other team. He plays to win, not for twitter friends. He's pretty hated by his own team too
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 I've made up my mind I want to: Sign Choo to play LF Buy out Adam Lind Play Melky mostly at DH and spot starts in OF if needed Let Rajai walk (hurts a bit cause I like him) Keep Gose up as 4th OF and pinch runner Trade Arencibia, Santos or Janssen and Stroman for a decent SP with a good health history and at least 2-3 years of control Sign Josh Johnson for 1 year 5.5M Extend Rasmus 4 years 32M plus an option year Sign McCann or Ruiz Use Goins and Izturis for 2B I haven't figured out the final cost on the above additions and subtractions. Crazy or not crazy?
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 I've made up my mind I want to: Sign Choo to play LF Buy out Adam Lind Play Melky mostly at DH and spot starts in OF if needed Let Rajai walk (hurts a bit cause I like him) Keep Gose up as 4th OF and pinch runner Trade Arencibia, Santos or Janssen and Stroman for a legit SP with at least 2-3 years of control Sign Josh Johnson for 1 year 5.5M Extend Rasmus 4 years 32M plus an option year Sign McCann or Ruiz Use Goins and Izturis for 2B I haven't figured out the final cost on the above additions and subtractions. Crazy or not crazy? Choo has been BAAAAAD in the field the last two years (albeit in CF this year which is not his spot). I'm honestly interested in how much he'll get, but he might be an option if the price is right. I just think his overall WAR is going to be limited by the defense and people will be paying for his bat. I don't think Johnson signs for the money, but if he does I'd do it in a heartbeat. I wouldn't trade Stroman. We will need cost controlled pitchers real soon to balance the books. He is as close as anyone and should be a better bet then the Nolins of the world (who I still like)
Convo Verified Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Sign Choo to play LF Choo would be a dream LF IMO. But every team in baseball is going to want him ($$$). Buy out Adam Lind Play Melky mostly at DH and spot starts in OF if needed Wouldn't it make more sense to send Melky packing and keep Lind as a platoon vs righties? How can Melky DH, he has virtually no XBH power. Let Rajai walk (hurts a bit cause I like him) Keep Gose up as 4th OF and pinch runner I guess if Gose is strickly pinch-runner/4th OF then I don't mind letting Rajai go. Trade Arencibia, Santos or Janssen and Stroman for a legit SP with at least 2-3 years of control I wonder if any team would actually make this trade. Arencibia is kind of dead-weight right now. Santos is injury prone. Janssen is not even a bonified closer. And Stroman doesn't project well. Sign Josh Johnson for 1 year 5.5M I figure he'll get more elsewhere and if he doesn't he'll probably still go elsewhere. Extend Rasmus 4 years 32M plus an option year We don't really know what we have with him yet. He's only had one good 3/4 of a season with us. But if he repeats next season then I can agree with this. Sign McCann or Ruiz TBH I'd be happy with almost anyone else behind the plate. Use Goins and Izturis for 2B Sadly might be our best option. Also Izturis is not nearly as bad as he's been this year. I haven't figured out the final cost on the above additions and subtractions. Crazy or not crazy? Overall, like it... not too crazy!
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 It looks like the Cards are thinking about taking Lance Lynn out of the rotation (he's had a rough second half of the season). He might be an interesting target in the off-season (clearly not as an ace mind you).
GD Old-Timey Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 Lance Lynn is certainly one of my targets, been keeping an eye on him.
DuckDuckGose Verified Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 I'd like to see a few of the same things as Gsnarls this off-season; I want to: Sign McCann (or Ruiz as plan Sign Choo to play LF Do not pick up Lind's contract, resign him at a lower amount Get rid of Melky, for nothing if you have to, someone will take that contract it's just a matter of at what cost IMO. Let Rajai walk Keep Gose up as 4th OF and pinch runner Sign a somewhat reliable SP this off-season. Josh Johnson on a 1yr, Doc Halladay would be the second guy I called, Garza would be after those two. Extend Rasmus 4 years 32M plus an option year Trade for a legitimate starting 2B. Go with Kawasaki/Goins and Izturis if the value isn't there. Do not overpay in prospects for a 2B. Always be on the prowl for an ace. I would not be comfortable throwing any of the current staff out to start the one game playoff. That definitely should be addressed in the off-season.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/09/angels-to-explore-trading-kendrick-in-offseason.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook Kendrick could be an option.
over500 Verified Member Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/09/angels-to-explore-trading-kendrick-in-offseason.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook Kendrick could be an option. AA trading for a major leaguer = Bad idea.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 6, 2013 Posted September 6, 2013 AA trading for a major leaguer = Bad idea. But all those major league scouts!!!
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Resulting lineup: Reyes - SS Choo - LF Encarnacion - 1B Bautista - RF Cabrera - DH McCann - C Lawrie - 3B Rasmus - CF Goins - 2B Bench - Gose, Izturis, some catcher not named Thole or Arencibia Like???
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Resulting lineup: Reyes - SS Choo - LF Encarnacion - 1B Bautista - RF Cabrera - DH McCann - C Lawrie - 3B Rasmus - CF Goins - 2B Bench - Gose, Izturis, some catcher not named Thole or Arencibia Like??? How are they going to get 2 of the best free agents on the market and how are they going to afford those two guys and sign one or two quality starters...the jays aren't raising payroll by another 40 mil....go after McCann...he's the biggest need.....let choo sign somewhere else and use that money on Garza..
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Get McCann and Uggla. I support guys with eye issues.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 I wish someone would just fix this team already.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 hope pray realize that hoping and praying will not help repeat process I think this is probably the best option .
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Copy and past from MLBTR: - Free Agent Profile: Omar Infante By Tim Dierkes [september 10 at 12:10pm CST] When you think of the ten best second basemen in the game, does the name Omar Infante spring to mind as a contender? It should. Infante, 32 in December, ranks eighth in FanGraphs wins above replacement by a second baseman for 2011-13. This year, despite fewer games played than anyone ranked above him, Infante holds the seventh spot. Among the six second basemen ranked above Infante in WAR this year, the only other free agent is Robinson Cano, who will be a consideration only for a select few ultra-rich large market teams. If you're a GM looking to add a quality veteran free agent to solidify second base and you'd prefer not to dole out a nine-figure contract, Infante is your man. USATSI_7272227 Strengths/Pros Infante doesn't strike out much, and that generally leads to solid batting averages. He's had several seasons above .300, including this one, and hasn't hit below .271 since 2005. Defensively, UZR/150 considers Infante a plus. Defensive runs saved from The Fielding Bible suggest he's a bit above-average with the glove as well. Infante also offers versatility, as he can play third base, shortstop, and the outfield in a pinch. Weaknesses/Cons When he hits .300 or better, Infante's on-base percentage will be pretty good, as it is this year at .348. However, since he generally only draws a walk in about 4% of his plate appearances these days, he's not going to be an OBP threat if he settles back into a batting average in the .270s. Tigers manager Jim Leyland deserves credit for not confusing the ability to make contact with the ability to get on base, as he's batted Infante in the bottom third of the order more than 80% of the time this year. Infante rates well among second basemen in slugging percentage, but that gives credit to his many singles, making it a poor choice to measure his power among his peers. Isolated power puts him 15th among 25 second base qualifiers since 2012, in a similar range as Neil Walker and Dustin Pedroia. Infante has a few double-digit home run seasons on his resume, but he's not a middle of the order hitter. It would be unfair to suggest durability is a concern with Infante, who played in almost 150 games in each of the 2011 and '12 seasons. However, a sprained ankle suffered in July this year kept Infante out for over a month, with a few setbacks during the recovery process. Infante's stock would be hurt significantly if he receives and turns down a qualifying offer from the Tigers, which FanGraphs' Dave Cameron recommends the team makes. Losing a potential first-round draft pick to sign Infante would severely limit his appeal, and perhaps he would be compelled to become the first player to accept a qualifying offer. In that case Infante would earn more in 2014 than he did in the previous four years combined, but would hit the open market again after the season. Personal Infante, his wife Yohanna, and their four-year-old son Yomar reside in Lecheria, Venezuela during the offseason. Omar and Yohanna have been married for over ten years. From what we've heard, Infante is beloved by other players and coaches and is a hard worker. He is a family man and a private person. Market One feasible scenario is the Tigers and Infante agreeing to a new deal before qualifying offers are due in November, or at least before the open signing period. My guess is that the Tigers ultimately would not make Infante a qualifying offer -- $14MM might be twice the average annual value Infante would get on the open market. The Tigers don't have to decide now, and are probably keeping an open mind. Detroit should have strong interest in retaining him, regardless. The Yankees could be a fit for Infante if Cano signs elsewhere, while the Cubs, Orioles, Dodgers, and Royals could make sense as well. Free agent competition is light outside of Cano, as Mark Ellis, Kelly Johnson, and Brian Roberts are the top names. Any team that misses out on Cano could conceivably bid for Infante, should he reach the open market. Expected Contract Infante was represented by Alan Nero of Octagon for most of his career, according to MLB.com's Jason Beck, but Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports recently revealed the infielder switched to Gene Mato this year. Two years ago, Infante inked a two-year, $8MM extension with the Marlins in the final days of the 2011 season. He's improved his stock drastically since then, and this offseason probably represents his one shot at a big contract. The most relevant contract for Infante might be Marco Scutaro's three-year, $20MM deal with the Giants signed in December last year. However, Scutaro's deal covers his age 37-39 seasons, while a three-year deal for Infante would cover his age 32-34 campaigns. Cameron referenced Martin Prado's four-year, $40MM deal as a potential comparable. That contract was not signed on the open market, and still included $33MM covering Prado's first three free agent years. While there is a sabermetric case for Infante receiving a bit more than $33MM over three years, I consider that his ceiling on the open market, as Prado is younger and a better hitter (and, incidentally, the godfather to Infante's son). My guess is that Mato will set his sights on four guaranteed years at the outset, and ultimately I peg Infante at a three-year, $25MM deal. It should be noted that my prediction includes the assumption that Infante does not reach the open market having turned down a qualifying offer. If he receives and rejects a qualifying offer and reaches the open market, I would knock my ceiling down to Scutaro's contract.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Infante would not be a simple cheap upgrade over Izturis
Jays Verified Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Infante would not be a simple cheap upgrade over Izturis what kind of contract will he get in the offseason?
DuckDuckGose Verified Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 what kind of contract will he get in the offseason? From the MLBTR article Gsnarls posted; The most relevant contract for Infante might be Marco Scutaro's three-year, $20MM deal with the Giants signed in December last year. However, Scutaro's deal covers his age 37-39 seasons, while a three-year deal for Infante would cover his age 32-34 campaigns. Cameron referenced Martin Prado's four-year, $40MM deal as a potential comparable. That contract was not signed on the open market, and still included $33MM covering Prado's first three free agent years. While there is a sabermetric case for Infante receiving a bit more than $33MM over three years, I consider that his ceiling on the open market, as Prado is younger and a better hitter (and, incidentally, the godfather to Infante's son). My guess is that Mato will set his sights on four guaranteed years at the outset, and ultimately I peg Infante at a three-year, $25MM deal. Gsnarls
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Rajai still won't get a great amount of money. He turns 33 in the off-season and players can rave about their WAR all they want they are still probably going to get paid by their slash line and his isn't great. He's a 100% platoon guy somewhere and will be paid accordingly. Personally I'd let him walk and go with someone with upside and better D, but I'm not holding my breath on that happening. A team will sign Rajai as a starting CF and a top of the lineup bat since he has those 40 + stolen bases next to his name which look sexy. He'll likely get a 2-year-deal somewhere. He's just a platoon player, not an everyday player. I'm sure Anthony Gose could do the same thing next season at a fraction of the cost!
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Infante or Peralta, would be suffice. Do you think Infante and Peralta can maintain their 2013 level of production moving forward? I don't think so.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Phil Hughes failed at AL East. He had some decent years in New York, really tanked though this season. I can see an NL team signing Hughes, and he'll thrive in a big ballpark somewhere in the NL. Always has had solid K/BB ratios. He'll be a bargain for an NL team, just watch.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 I already posted my way. Idk, Halladay could be nice as a back end guy, but we can't depend on him as an ace right now. And Hughes just isn't someone I would want in RC, with his fly ball tendencies. I like Hughes (always have), though I don't want him signing with the Blue Jays and he's a pitchers that doesn't fit this ballpark at all. He'll sign somewhere in the NL. As for Halladay, it would be more of a PR move to pitch as a backend guy. He hasn't been that impressive this season, so I don't see teams lining up to sign him. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him as a No. 5 starter, though wouldn't get my hopes up. I could see the Jays signing Marcum to a minor league deal. Book it!
GD Old-Timey Member Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Do you think Infante and Peralta can maintain their 2013 level of production moving forward? I don't think so. Even if Infante's BABIP regresses back to his career mean he should still be an above average bat and a huge upgrade in the field. Peralta certainly won't keep up the >120 wRC+ production but he should be an above average bat, an he's been excellent in the field the last few years at shortstop, so he would probably play a nice 2B.
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