kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) Boston -plus 83 O,s -Plus 18 Rays -plus 15 Jays -minus 3 Yankees - Minus 6 now you see why I pick the Yankees to finish last. Edited June 29, 2013 by G-Snarls
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Fangraphs actually found last year though that a team's record in the first half had a higher correlation to predicting second half records than Pythagorean projections.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Boston -plus 83 O,s -Plus 18 Rays -plus 15 Jays -minus Yankees - Minus 6 now you see why I pick the Yankees to finish last. Missing how negative the Blue Jays are
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 missing how negative the blue jays are minus 9000
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Missing how negative the Blue Jays are When I first read this I thought you meant you missed how negative their differential once was, like how it was a month ago.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 When I first read this I thought you meant you missed how negative their differential once was, like how it was a month ago. Hahahaha. NO.
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 You sure? Took us back to the good old days of 1979
digiblader Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 With no offense besides Cano and Gardner, no wonder the Yankees have a negative run differential--if it weren't for the pitching, they'd be at -50 to -100 right now.
digiblader Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 At this point, we should aim for a wild card spot--Boston is THAT good right now--they deserve their record. Interestingly enough, they're at least likable because most of their offense is homegrown: Pedroia 53 runs Ellsbury 50 runs Nava 44 runs Ortiz 40 runs These four players are part of the reason Boston has such an elite offense. And all of it was raised from their own system--something the Yankees need to do more of--especially as they face the retirement of Derek Jeter soon, and significant declines in A-Rod, Tex, and don't ask about that outfield!
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Author Posted June 29, 2013 Missing how negative the Blue Jays are I posted it minus 3 . Am I missing the sarcasm here ??
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Your original post didn't have the 3, gsnarls, the super moderator added it in
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Author Posted June 29, 2013 Your original post didn't have the 3, gsnarls, the super moderator added it in Oh , wtf , How could I have missed that . Thanks Super Moderater .
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 At this point, we should aim for a wild card spot--Boston is THAT good right now--they deserve their record. Interestingly enough, they're at least likable because most of their offense is homegrown: Pedroia 53 runs Ellsbury 50 runs Nava 44 runs Ortiz 40 runs These four players are part of the reason Boston has such an elite offense. And all of it was raised from their own system--something the Yankees need to do more of--especially as they face the retirement of Derek Jeter soon, and significant declines in A-Rod, Tex, and don't ask about that outfield! Yup, everyone loves that likable Pedroia!
digiblader Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Which we had a -249 run differential. Of course, we were an expansion team then.. If things stand as is, Yanks will face a negative run differential for the first time since 1992(and that was a bad era between 1989-1992--but at least they drafted their core during those lean years, especially Derek Jeter in 1992!) Unfortunately, the Yanks face a return to those lean years--free agency isn't going to save them like in 2009 due to the new CBA. Plus, their farm is weak--Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams have stalled: Mason Williams(A+) .254, 3 HR, 16 RBIs, .691 OPS, 31/43 BB/K Tyler Austin (AA) .269, 5 HR, 38 RBIs, .747 OPS, 38/67 BB/K ratio Slade Heathcott(AA) .234, 4 HR, 31 RBIs, .661 OPS, 25/75 BB/K ratio Only prospect they have that could be elite is Gary Sanchez (A+), who's at .273, 12 HR, 54 RBIs 22/50 BB/K, .814 OPS. With no major catching prospects ahead of him, it's surprising the Yanks haven't been more aggressive with him.
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Which we had a -249 run differential. Of course, we were an expansion team then.. If things stand as is, Yanks will face a negative run differential for the first time since 1992(and that was a bad era between 1989-1992--but at least they drafted their core during those lean years, especially Derek Jeter in 1992!) Unfortunately, the Yanks face a return to those lean years--free agency isn't going to save them like in 2009 due to the new CBA. Plus, their farm is weak--Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams have stalled: Mason Williams(A+) .254, 3 HR, 16 RBIs, .691 OPS, 31/43 BB/K Tyler Austin (AA) .269, 5 HR, 38 RBIs, .747 OPS, 38/67 BB/K ratio Slade Heathcott(AA) .234, 4 HR, 31 RBIs, .661 OPS, 25/75 BB/K ratio Only prospect they have that could be elite is Gary Sanchez (A+), who's at .273, 12 HR, 54 RBIs 22/50 BB/K, .814 OPS. With no major catching prospects ahead of him, it's surprising the Yanks haven't been more aggressive with him. When the Yankees stink, they really stink. Unfortunately they don't stink for very long. I remember those early 90's years fondly for them. Don Mattingly and the rest was a pure shitshow. Andy Hawkins throws a no-hitter and loses 4-0 lol. It would be nice to see the Yankees go on a Pirates-like run of futility though it'll never happen, they'll find a way to buy themselves out of it.
digiblader Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 If that were possible--remember, teams are locking up their young stars, making it difficult for teams like the Yankees and Dodgers to buy their way out of trouble. With the new TV money helping smaller teams, it's more difficult for teams such as the Yanks or Dodgers to contend--teams with good cores and farm systems like the Red Sox, Cardinals, Braves, Rangers, A's have benefited.
BlueJayWay Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 At this point, we should aim for a wild card spot--Boston is THAT good right now--they deserve their record. Interestingly enough, they're at least likable because most of their offense is homegrown: Pedroia 53 runs Ellsbury 50 runs Nava 44 runs Ortiz 40 runs These four players are part of the reason Boston has such an elite offense. And all of it was raised from their own system--something the Yankees need to do more of--especially as they face the retirement of Derek Jeter soon, and significant declines in A-Rod, Tex, and don't ask about that outfield! Ortiz came from Minnesota.
BlueJayWay Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Boston -plus 83 O,s -Plus 18 Rays -plus 15 Jays -minus 3 Yankees - Minus 6 now you see why I pick the Yankees to finish last. And New York is +19 against the Jays alone. So their run diff is -25 against everyone but us.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Author Posted June 29, 2013 As soon as the Yankees are thru this penalty crunch in 2015 they will be spenders and trade their young talent to win . fanbase allows nothing less
BlueJayWay Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 As soon as the Yankees are thru this penalty crunch in 2015 they will be spenders and trade their young talent to win . fanbase allows nothing less The Yankees have always been spenders, but as was said above, in today's environment it's not as easy to just go to the free agent store and buy whatever you need. And they don't exactly have a plethora of young talent to deal. If they do fall off, and it appears they're doing so, they might find it more difficult than they expect to get back on top.
digiblader Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yes, but most of his success came in Boston.
Jays Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 At this point, we should aim for a wild card spot--Boston is THAT good right now--they deserve their record. Interestingly enough, they're at least likable because most of their offense is homegrown: Pedroia 53 runs Ellsbury 50 runs Nava 44 runs Ortiz 40 runs These four players are part of the reason Boston has such an elite offense. And all of it was raised from their own system Your high85 is showing.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 As far as spending goes, I can't believe teams with big payrolls don't look at the Pujols, Hamilton debacles to see how unwise it is to give out such long and expensive contracts to guys in their 30s. The Yanks themselves have a couple of big contracts to aging, in-decline players to learn from. Will teams learn from these examples? Not sure. I don't think it's as simple as saying these teams' GMs are dumb, I think it comes from not wanting to retool or rebuild for a few years given their markets where they want to keep ratings and attendance strong.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Jays will lose today 6-4 (-2) and then will win tomorrow 9-2 (+7)... I love run differential
JohnnyLonghorn Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Amazing how well the Sox are hitting. Pedroia, Victorino, Ortiz, Ellesberry, Nava, & Carp are all hitting up over or just under the .300 clip. Inglesias has only played 37 games but is seeing everything. Kid could be something special, especially with his defence and speed on the base paths. Sure their hitter friendly ball park can misconstrue their stats slightly, but this is a vastly superior hitting team to the Jays. Then they have studs like Pedro Cirianco riding the bench. Just goes to show their depth.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Amazing how well the Sox are hitting. Pedroia, Victorino, Ortiz, Ellesberry, Nava, & Carp are all hitting up over or just under the .300 clip. Inglesias has only played 37 games but is seeing everything. Kid could be something special, especially with his defence and speed on the base paths. Sure their hitter friendly ball park can misconstrue their stats slightly, but this is a vastly superior hitting team to the Jays. Then they have studs like Pedro Cirianco riding the bench. Just goes to show their depth. wut? Iglesias can't hit bro....SSS He's just a glove (Manny Alexander or Rey Ordonez?
JohnnyLonghorn Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 How the hell does this kid have a 2.0 WAR in only 37 games? His 1.016 OPS is obviously unsustainable but impressive nonetheless.
Metallijay Verified Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Boston -plus 83 O,s -Plus 18 Rays -plus 15 Jays -minus 3 Yankees - Minus 6 now you see why I pick the Yankees to finish last. According to that we will be fighting for last with them, so excited.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Amazing how well the Sox are hitting. Pedroia, Victorino, Ortiz, Ellesberry, Nava, & Carp are all hitting up over or just under the .300 clip. Inglesias has only played 37 games but is seeing everything. Kid could be something special, especially with his defence and speed on the base paths. Sure their hitter friendly ball park can misconstrue their stats slightly, but this is a vastly superior hitting team to the Jays. Then they have studs like Pedro Cirianco riding the bench. Just goes to show their depth. Studs like Ciriaco... Jesus that should warrant a banning right there
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